Meetup : Houston Meetup - 1/29

0 Cog 23 January 2012 11:21PM

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup - 1/29

WHEN: 29 January 2012 02:00:00PM (-0600)

WHERE: 2010 Commerce Street, Houston, Tx.77002

The Houston LW meetup will have our next meeting this coming Sunday at 2:00 PM. We will be discussing the first two chapters of E.T. Jaynes "The Logic of Science", available here:

http://bayes.wustl.edu/etj/prob/book.pdf

The first two chapters are relatively easy for those with some experience in formal logic, but we will make sure everyone understands the basics. We will also be going over the following sequences in the discussion, if time permits:

How An Algorithm Feels From Inside (http://lesswrong.com/lw/no/how_an_algorithm_feels_from_inside/)

Feel the Meaning (http://lesswrong.com/lw/nq/feel_the_meaning/)

Replace the Symbol with the Substance (http://lesswrong.com/lw/nv/replace_the_symbol_with_the_substance/)

As always, pizza is an option if we feel like it. Bacon, eggs and other snacks are often produced in the hackerspace kitchen during this time, but those are communal products, so bring some cash for the tip jar if you partake.

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup - 1/29

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 17 January 2012 06:24:20PM 1 point [-]

In fact, my optimal design would permit chosen individuals to try over and over again without penalty, encouraging them to take risky opportunities, provided there is at least a straight-face possibility of correspondingly high reward.

In practice, these kind of situations tend to lead to things like the dot-com bubble.

Comment author: Cog 18 January 2012 05:21:01AM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure I understand the leap in logic there. If people have a reasonably comfortable minimum income regardless of what they do, how does that induce runaway speculation? Would venture capital firms not be as hesitant to hand out money to people who consistently failed to return on investment? Granted, VC firms could still get caught up in fads like in the dot-com bubble, but I don't foresee a minimum income really driving (very rich, well above the minimum income level) VCs into higher risk taking behavior.

Comment author: Cog 17 January 2012 01:51:26AM 0 points [-]

I brush up against the field. I'm a grad student in computational neuroscience, and work with modeling how the brain's neural networks might be structured for certain tasks. Right now, I'm focusing on issues involving timing at the seconds/minutes level, as well as the neurological architecture involved with perceptual discrimination (Weber's law and the like, if anyone is interested). That may expand in the future, depending on how productive my current line of research is.

Comment author: Dorikka 11 January 2012 04:13:12PM 0 points [-]

Date typo? (1/15?)

Comment author: Cog 15 January 2012 04:12:54PM 0 points [-]

Yes, date typo. It is today. Sorry for any confusion.

Meetup : Houston Meetup - 1/15

1 Cog 11 January 2012 05:56AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup - 1/15

WHEN: 15 January 2012 02:00:00PM (-0600)

WHERE: 2010 Commerce Street, Houston TX 77002

There will be a meetup this Sunday at 2PM at the local hackerspace. We'll be discussing the Maps and Territories sequence, as well as plannig a reading schedule for ET Jayne's "The Logic of Science". All are welcome, and we can order pizza if people are interested. PM me for my cell number if you are a new member, and need help finding the place the day of.

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup - 1/15

Comment author: wedrifid 10 December 2011 09:06:11PM *  1 point [-]

In terms of passing information to the brain, yes, it is.

No, it isn't.

We all know how computer monitors work. We roughly speaking know that the information from the computer ends up processed in the brain in the visual cortex. But we can still tell the difference between a computer monitor and matrix headjack.

And DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED on people who think Wikipedia is an "Artificial Intelligence", the invention of LSD was a "Singularity" or that corporations are "superintelligent"!

Comment author: Cog 10 December 2011 10:33:22PM *  1 point [-]

Could you give a definition of cybernetics that does not include both? Cybernetics, as a word, has two different meanings. First is the study of the structure of regulartory systems. This, in regards to electronics, is where I believe it got its second meaning, which is much fuzzier. Most of us have an image of a Neuromancer style biomechanical ninja when we hear it, but have nothing in the way of a set definition. In fact, it appears normative, referring to something that is futuristic. This, of course, changes. Well designed mechanical legs that let you run faster than an Olympic sprinter would easily have been called cybernetics in the 60s. Now, because that's here, my impression is that people are more hesitant to call it that.

Do we draw the cybernetic/non-cybernetic line at something that physically touches neural tissue? Or projects light on it? Or induces changes in it with magnetic stimulation? Does it have to interface with neurons, or do glia count too? Muscle cells? Rods and cones? If we have a device that controls hormones in the blood, is that cybernetic? I understand your point about not overgeneralizing, and I tried to include that in response. Cybernetics, if it is to mean anything and not be an ambiguous rube/blegg as we discover more, has to be thought of as being heavily related to information processing in the brain. Filters are incredibly important. In an information processing system, they are almost everything. But in terms of getting information into the brain, the difference between a cortical brainjack and a monitor is what type of filters are in their way. Those filters can be broken down into incredibly complex systems that we can and should distinguish, but that's the proper conceptual framework with which to look at the problem.

Comment author: wedrifid 10 December 2011 02:42:59AM 1 point [-]

A computer monitor is a cybernetic connection

No it isn't. It is a form of human-computer interface. And a spade is a spade.

Comment author: Cog 10 December 2011 08:39:49PM *  1 point [-]

In terms of passing information to the brain, yes, it is. It excites neurons in a specific pattern in such a way as to form certain connections in the brain. It does this through cells in the retina, and the information does pass through a specific set of filters before it reaches the cortex, but I don't think that is an important distinction. To give an example, one of the things a friend of mine is working in the lab next door is inserting a channelrhodopsin gene into the visual cortex of monkeys. Channelrhodopsin is the protein in retinal cells that cause them to fire in response to light. By inserting it in other neural tissue, we can cause specific cells to fire by shining light of specific frequencies onto the cell. It's cool stuff, and I would put money on it becoming a dominant form of BCI in the mid term, at least for getting information into the brain.

The reason I bring this up is that it is using exactly the same mechanism that the retina uses, it just bypasses a few of the neural filtering mechanisms. Filters are incredibly useful, and while, in the future, we may want some of our connections to be directly into the cortex, we also might want to take advantage of some of those systems. To call one a cybernetic interface, and not the other, seems to be arbitrary.

Yes, this does mean that every human-computer interface is, in the end, a brain-computer interface with just an extra informational filter in between. It also means that every human interaction is brain-to-brain, again with just extra filters in place. I'm OK with that. I also find the idea very aesthetically pleasing, but that has no weight on whether it is true. When we talk about communication, cybernetics, and interfaces, it may be useful to distinguish between what filters are in place and how those effect the signal, but everything is eventually (interface/brain)-to-brain.

[edited for typo]

Meetup : Houston Meetup: Saturday, 11/19

0 Cog 16 November 2011 08:25AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup: Saturday, 11/19

WHEN: 19 November 2011 02:25:07AM (-0600)

WHERE: 2010 Commerce St, Houston, Tx. 77002

Saturday at 3PM, we will be having a meetup on pure logic and mental content, hosted by a philosopher friend of mine. If there is time afterward, I'll have a game of paranoid debating ready to play.

As always, if you want to come but can't make it, send me an email or a message, and we'll work out plans for future meetings.

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup: Saturday, 11/19

Meetup : Houston Meetup

2 Cog 24 October 2011 06:27AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup

WHEN: 30 October 2011 02:00:00PM (-0500)

WHERE: 2010 Commerce St, Houston, Tx. 77002

After a temporary hiatus, the Houston LW meetup group will reconvene on 10/30 at 2:00 PM. I will be presenting a paper from within my field of research, theoretical neuroscience. The paper, "Adaptive Drift-Diffusion Process to Learn Time Intervals", can be found at: http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.2382 While somewhat interesting in its own right, I'll use it as a jumping off point to discuss the methods and goals of theoretical neuroscience as a whole. It's an exciting field that crosses over on a lot of themes covered on LW. As always, new members are welcome and encouraged to PM me before the meetup.

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup

Meetup : Houston Meetup - Saturday, October 1

2 Cog 28 September 2011 06:08AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup - Saturday, October 1

WHEN: 01 October 2011 03:00:00PM (-0500)

WHERE: 2010 Commerce St, Houston, Tx. 77002

There will be another meeting at the hackerspace this Saturday. I'll be giving a presentation on a theoretical neuroscience article about timing in the brain. While not related to rationality directly, it's a topic I understand well and can use to segue into methods and goals of theoretical neuroscience as a whole. This should take an hour, maybe an hour and a half.

If anyone is interested in reading up before hand, the article is here:

http://arxiv.org/abs/1103.2382

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup - Saturday, October 1

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