Meetup : Houston

1 Cog 15 September 2011 08:34PM

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston

WHEN: 17 September 2011 03:00:00PM (-0500)

WHERE: 2010 Commerce St, Houston, TX 77002, USA

Hi everyone. Sorry for the short notice - some space opened up in my weekend, and I figured I would go ahead and put out an announcement. If any LWers in Houston want to hang out for a while, I'll be at the hackerspace Saturday afternoon working on a project. Feel free to drop by - we can get a game of some sort going if several people show up.

Usual comers, take note of the change in date and time.

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston

Meetup : Houston Meetup 9/11

1 Cog 06 September 2011 05:37PM

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup 9/11

WHEN: 11 September 2011 02:00:00PM (-0500)

WHERE: 2010 Commerce St, Houston, Tx. 77002

After a short break (I was on vacation and then catching up from being on vacation), the Houston hackerspace meetup will be meeting again this Sunday at 2 PM. I will be giving a presentation on the history of psychology, where it has been, and where it is going. Some type of board game will follow.

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup 9/11

Meetup : Houston social meetup

1 Cog 18 August 2011 02:38AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston social meetup

WHEN: 21 August 2011 02:00:00PM (-0500)

WHERE: 2010 Commerce St, Houston, Tx. 77002

Hey everyone. Theres going to be a social meetup at the hackerspace this Sunday at 2PM. There won't be any the following week, as I'll be out of town. Hope to see y'all there.

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston social meetup

Meetup : Houston Hackerspace Meetup

0 Cog 10 August 2011 06:18AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Hackerspace Meetup

WHEN: 14 August 2011 02:00:00PM (-0500)

WHERE: 2010 Commerce St, Houston, Tx. 77002

Another weekly meetup at the Houston TX/RX hackerspace. I'll be giving an overview of the psychology and neuroscience of liking and wanting, followed possibly by a game of Munchkin or Catan. Seeya there.

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Hackerspace Meetup

Comment author: SilasBarta 04 August 2011 05:10:55PM *  0 points [-]

Serendipitously enough, my family was planning on going down to Houston that day to celebrate a relative's birthday at 11:30 am, so it should easily work out for me to head over to the meetup afterward. Looks like you get another Silas visit, and so soon after the previous! :-)

Comment author: Cog 06 August 2011 07:49:20PM 0 points [-]

Cool. We'll seeya then. Any preference on games?

Meetup : Houston Hackerspace Meetup

0 Cog 04 August 2011 05:10AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Hackerspace Meetup

WHEN: 07 August 2011 01:00:00PM (-0700)

WHERE: 2010 Commerce St, Houston, Tx. 77002

A social meetup at the Houston hackerspace. We'll probably be playing munchkin, Settlers of Cataan, or some other type of game until about 5PM. Private message me for my cell number if you are thinking of coming and don't already have it. Parking is abundant across the street. Next week I will give another presentation on some yet to be determined LW related subject.

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Hackerspace Meetup

Comment author: mikedarwin 31 July 2011 09:28:13AM *  36 points [-]

The reason I haven’t posted here before is that I’ve had no burning reason to, and I’m busy.

While there are many discrete reasons why cryonics hasn’t been (more) successful, the single biggest reason is the most obvious one; it has not been demonstrably shown to work. If suspended animation were a demonstrated reality tomorrow, and it was affordable (i.e., not like spaceflight, which is demonstrably workable, but not yet affordable) then the tide would be turned. Even then, it is unlikely there would be any kind of flash-stampede to the freezers.

A schoolmate and friend of mine just died a few weeks ago of pulmonary fibrosis. He was an ideal candidate for a lung transplant. But, he couldn’t afford it, so he just laid there and died. Thousands of people who need transplants die each year, even though it is a proven modality of treatment that is yielding a significant number of quality years of life. But, it is costly, there aren’t enough donors, and here’s the really remarkable thing, the vast majority of people who could benefit from a transplant are never even candidates.

Consider Richard DeVos, the co-founder of Amway: http://www.rickross.com/reference/amway/amway24.html. In 1983 DeVos, suffering from coronary artery disease, had bypass surgery. In 1992 DeVos had another bypass surgery, and by 1995 it was clear he had end stage congestive heart failure (CHF). How many people have you known or heard about who fit that description, and subsequently go on to die a perfectly pedestrian death; at home or in the ICU? Such deaths are so routine no one gives them a second thought.

And it’s for damn sure that no one gives them a second thought when the patient is a 71 year old man! However, if you are absolutely fixated on staying alive, and your net worth is well in excess of 2 billion 1997 dollars, well, the rules of the game are different for you. DeVos got his heart in London, and the Amway corporate jet flew him there from Grand Rapids, MI. That was in 1997, and as far as I know, DeVos is still alive. There are countless ~71 year old men in the US, and elsewhere in the Developed World, dying of CHF right now. In those cases, the word "transplant" is neither uttered nor heard – even though it is very much a reality that if you have the money, the persistence and the luck – a heart transplant offers the prospect of another 5 years of reasonably good quality life, on average.

I worked in hospital, mostly in critical care medicine, for 7 years. The overwhelming majority of patients are passive – they do what their physicians advise and if they do have alternative ideas, they are usually easily dissuaded from pursuing them. And, truth to tell, most of the “alternative ideas” patients have are bad ones, including Steve Jobs. But, if you are smart, lucky and rich – and you come to your senses, as Jobs did, it can be whole other ball game. Jobs suffered recurrent pancreatic cancer (islet cell neuroendocrine tumor) after a Whipple procedure in 2004. That is just about as close as you can get to a death sentence, since the usual location of the met(s) is the liver. It is current medical consensus that liver transplantation in patients with recurrent pancreatic cancer that has metastasized to the liver is contraindicated. In fact, I know a couple of transplant surgeons who call such a procedure a murderous waste of a liver, and a life! However, Jobs got a liver transplant in 2009. I strongly suspect that he has very recently received additional cutting edge treatment not widely available.

Cryopreservation/cryonics is likely to creep in on little cat’s feet – with a big jump or two along the way. Cryobanking of parenchymatous organs will probably be one jump, reversible cryopreservation of the brain another, and finally, whole body suspended animation. But it behooves us to beware that lots and lots of people are “calmly” accepting their fates today, who could in fact be ‘rescued’ by already extant medical technology - but for the knowledge, the money and the will. And THAT is what is NOT likely to change. To a surprising degree, people stay alive because it has been made very easy for them to do so. Make it difficult, and you start to see people dropping away.

Cryonics demands a very high passion for and commitment to staying alive, not just because it is currently such a lousy product, but because, to be really credible, it DEMANDS ACTION to improve the odds of its success. Most people are not activists, and what's more, most people will refuse a chance at more life when you take away the superficial things that they mistake for their person-hood, or identity. And cryonics proposes to do exactly that. There is historical precedent for this. In his incredibly insightful book, MAN'S SEARCH FOR MEANING, Viktor Frankl noted that the people in the Nazi concentration camps fell into two groups. The first group consisted of the majority of those interned there, and they were people who defined themselves in terms of their social milieu: if you asked them who they were, they would say, "I am a doctor, a lawyer, a mother..." The second group consisted of a small minority of people who thought of themselves as existing completely independent of any label, any role, or any relationship they had with others, or with society.

When you entered a concentration camp, they took away you clothes, your profession, your family and even your name. For most people, that was the equivalent of taking away their very identity, and thus their will to live. As Frankel observed, it was mostly only the people in second, much smaller group, that survived.

It is from that tiny minority in the population as a whole, that cryonics draws it adherents. They are people who want to live, regardless, and who do not define their sense of self on the basis of their jobs, their social interactions, or really, on anything other than a raw, visceral passion to survive. Some find that absolutely terrifying.

Comment author: Cog 03 August 2011 02:24:05AM 4 points [-]

Could you clarify this notion of a group of people who exist independently of labels? Perhaps a name that Frankl used to classify them? I have found nothing online about it.

This jives relatively well with one way I classify people. I imagine what would happen if I were to suddenly take them out of their life and drop them in a city across the country without friends or family and less than a grand on their person. I think most people I know would find it incredibly taxing. A relative minority would simply take in their surroundings and start building again.

Comment author: SilasBarta 27 July 2011 05:13:57PM 0 points [-]

I'll try to make this one.

Comment author: Cog 28 July 2011 10:22:11PM 0 points [-]

Good to hear. We look forward to having you.

Meetup : Houston Hackerspace Meetup

0 Cog 25 July 2011 05:08AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Hackerspace Meetup

WHEN: 30 July 2011 02:00:00PM (-0500)

WHERE: 2010 Commerce St, Houston, Tx. 77002

The Houston hackerspace meetup will continue with a presentation on procrastination based on Lukeprog's related posts (A quick thanks to jsalvati for providing the foundations for it). This will be followed by a social game of Munchkin. The meeting should last roughly an hour and a half, although people will probably still be there after if anyone wishes to hang out. Pizza delivery is an option - if you would like some, bring a some cash to help split the cost.

To find our place, follow the google directions. Out front there will be a yellow surplus mobile army generator with a 'Less Wrong' sign. PM me for my cell number if you are considering coming.

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Hackerspace Meetup

Meetup : Houston Meetup

2 Cog 16 July 2011 05:43AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup

WHEN: 17 July 2011 02:00:00PM (-0500)

WHERE: 2010 Commerce St, Houston, Tx. 77002

After a short hiatus (I was out of town) the Houston meetup group will resume. Given the short notice, it will mainly be an informal social meeting. Two of our members have never seen our hackerspace before, and wanted a quick tour. If anyone else wishes to join us, come along. Our building will have a large surplus military generator out front with a sign saying "Less Wrong". PM for my cell number if you think you might want to come.

Discussion article for the meetup : Houston Meetup

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