Comment author: kdbscott 01 May 2014 11:02:57PM 3 points [-]

Good point about LW affiliation - in addition I would add that results are highly dependent on how the survey is distributed. This makes large predictions difficult, but more specific predictions (like >80% of LW affiliations will identify as atheist/agnostic) might be the way to go.

I'm still getting familiar with this community, but I suppose it's a fun exercise so I've added some thoughts to the excel sheet.

Comment author: Drayin 03 May 2014 01:46:06AM 1 point [-]

Yes, the survey asks where you heard of it itself, and what groups you're a member of, and where you first heard of EA: LessWrong is a candidate for each. So you can make predictions for specific groups.

Comment author: tog 01 May 2014 02:38:30PM *  4 points [-]

[Thread for making and discussing predictions]

To expand on my predictions, I think that global poverty will be the most popular cause except among those who say they heard of EA through LessWrong (whose numbers I'll be interested to see). I also think that skepticism/atheism will be the other social movement with which most identify, and atheism the most popular religious position. In the link Jacy Anthis has given a full set of predictions to test his accuracy.

Comment author: Drayin 03 May 2014 01:44:18AM 3 points [-]

I predict:

  • utilitarianism's the most common philosophy
  • a clear majority will be non-religious, and respondents often identify with skepticism/atheism as a social movement
  • a clear majority are left wing
  • most respondents are under 30, with 50% students
  • people often heard of EA through Peter Singer

And the most significant outcome:

  • There will be many non-students without significant donations, which in my view is not a good thing at all
Comment author: tog 02 May 2014 09:00:18PM 1 point [-]

I agree about consequentialism. Also, at that level of detail I can't see a way it's action-relevant (whereas if most EAs say they have no knowledge of ethical theories, that suggests a non-philosophical audience is more receptive than some have thought).

We should have explained that political terms were what you'd naturally describe yourself as in your country. Do people think most will have interpreted them thus? If so, we can cross-tabulate them against country.

If not, would this make many people more than one point out along the spectrum? I'd have thought that an American who describes themselves as 'left' is at least 'centre left' in Europe, and so on.

Comment author: Drayin 03 May 2014 01:38:41AM 1 point [-]

I'm not so sure, in terms of their actual policies I hear the British Conservatives are pretty close to the US Democrats. They're cutting services for the poor, but to a level above that found in the US. That does typically show inclinations similar to those of US Republicans, but it could also reflect a view about the optimal end level of services similar to some Democrats. So I guess it depends on what it shows most often, and whether those inclinations are most informative for the purposes of understanding people (eg in this survey).

Comment author: thebestwecan 01 May 2014 04:21:44PM *  1 point [-]

I definitely agree LW affiliation will be a major predictor of other results. Perhaps I should have made two sets of predictions (one for LW folks, one for others). - Jacy

Comment author: Drayin 01 May 2014 06:00:09PM 3 points [-]

One thing that would be really interesting is comparing EA-LW folks with both the standard EA answers and the standard LW survey answers.

In response to comment by peter_hurford on Why CFAR?
Comment author: Vaniver 09 January 2014 06:22:00PM 2 points [-]

I think this conversation is a time when numerical hypotheses are helpful; I personally did not expect the CFAR minicamp to increase income over the next year, happiness, or exercise, but thought if there was a discernible effect it was more likely to be positive than negative. A year is a short time as far as income is concerned; happiness is very hard to adjust; a weekend motivational retreat is unlikely to be effective at altering exercise relative to other interventions. (I exercise more now than I did before, primarily thanks to Beeminder, which shows up a lot in CFAR circles and some on LW, and I think I started that more than a year after going to CFAR the first time.)

Now, if the CFAR staff had put high probability on having success on one of those three fronts, then I think that logic is worth discussing.

In response to comment by Vaniver on Why CFAR?
Comment author: Drayin 09 January 2014 08:55:49PM 0 points [-]

"if the CFAR staff had put high probability on having success on one of those three fronts, then I think that logic is worth discussing."

It would seem somewhat strange for CFAR to test three variables they did not expect to increase...

Also I do not think happiness is very hard to adjust. There is research that some simple things can improve your happiness and have been tested with RCT's. E.g. meditation and gratitude lists had a measurable effect.

Comment author: Drayin 05 January 2014 07:25:53PM 9 points [-]

"Why haven't more EAs signed up for a course on global security, or tried to understand how DARPA funds projects, or learned about third-world health? I've heard claims that this would be too time-consuming relative to the value it provides, but this seems like a poor excuse. If we want to be taken seriously as a movement (or even just want to reach consistently accurate conclusions about the world)."

This one worries me quite a bit. The vast majority of EA's (including myself) have not spent very much time learning about what the large players in third world poverty are (e.g. WHO, UN). In fact you can be an "expert" in EA content and know virtually nothing about the rest of the non-profit/charity sector.

In response to Why Eat Less Meat?
Comment author: Marcy_Azraelle 01 August 2013 08:45:53AM 0 points [-]

I tried it in my youth but due to being a picky eater and not really planning it well, the doctor told my parents to give me more meat after I became anemic.

I'm interested in starting it up again in the future, when I learn a bit more about cooking and everything.

The weird thing is that I already ignore almost all meats most of the time (I pretty much eat only fish) so I don't know how going the extra mile and cutting them out completely could have much of an effect...

Comment author: Drayin 01 August 2013 02:19:53PM 0 points [-]

When I first went Veg I became anemic, now I take an iron pill daily and that seems to fix the problem completely, I also eat a cereal which is high in iron (additionally any sort of vegan meat substitute often is fortified with iron).

Comment author: RyanCarey 25 July 2013 10:24:27AM 2 points [-]

That makes sense - I guess you need to clarify that fundraising is more quantifiable than recruiting or development of technology (a la Leverage).

Comment author: Drayin 25 July 2013 12:53:26PM 2 points [-]

Also more quickly quantifiable then movement building (my previous EA plan) or getting pledges (Life You Can Save or GWWC).

Comment author: RyanCarey 23 July 2013 11:40:35AM *  7 points [-]

A great website, but I'd like to quickly point out that one of the core claims on this website doesn't make sense at all - "It is a hard task to make the world a better place and many of the best possible things to do are unmeasured and unquantified. This means we can take guesses at how much impact we are having, but it is quite difficult to know for sure. We’re walking forward with blindfolds. A huge benefit of fundraising is that it is one of the easiest fields to quantify with a quick feedback loop and a clear metric of success - money moved. We can take off the blindfolds and see where we’re going."

You can see how much money you're raising, which is important, but you can't see what the impact of the funds raised are, so you still don't know where you're going. Probably the target of your donation - even within a category like global health and development, or animal welfare - is much more important than the amount of money donated. The effect of a fivefold increase due to efficient fundraising could be dwarfed by this effect. This is even more the case when you talk about comparison between categories eg development vs x-risk.

Saying that fundraising takes off the blindfold because you can evaluate how much money you're making is like saying that a speedometer takes off the blindfold when you're driving, because you can tell how much you're accelerating.

I still love this charity and the idea of effective fundraising, but this claim should be fixed.

Comment author: Drayin 25 July 2013 10:11:51AM *  2 points [-]

The quoted claim was in the blog post "Why fundraising". It was intended to talk about why fundraising as a meta-activity is quantified vs other more speculative meta-activities. You're very correct that it is also massively important to have quantified charities as this ultimately dictates the impact we have. That being said we use Givewell's estimates of lives saved as well as keep track of our counterfactual money moved and get a fairly quantified estimate of how much good we are doing.

All this being said I agree that its unclear what the paragraph is referring to and we will improve it.

Disclaimer: I am the Co-ED of Effective Fundraising.

Comment author: peter_hurford 25 July 2013 06:06:12AM 3 points [-]

No one at Effective Fundraising has prior experience with fundraising. What you're saying sounds plausible.

Comment author: Drayin 25 July 2013 09:47:22AM 3 points [-]

Slight correction here. No one at Effective fundraising has large amounts of fundraising experience. I have fundraised for other charities but not effective ones before. We do not expect the full average ROI in the first year (as you can see from our cost estimates). We are also consulting with several very experienced grant writers that will help speed up our learning process.

Disclaimer: I am the Co-ED of Effective Fundraising.

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