Comment author: Transfuturist 07 March 2015 10:39:02PM 0 points [-]

There's a Battlestar Galactica board game? :D

Comment author: Duncan 08 March 2015 03:14:04AM 1 point [-]

Yes, yes there is :). http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/37111/battlestar-galactica

Comment author: CellBioGuy 04 March 2015 10:04:04PM 10 points [-]

And thus, Eliezer's mild obsession with conspiracy-for-the-greater-good-in-fiction-and-science rears its head again...

Comment author: Duncan 05 March 2015 06:45:30PM 0 points [-]

I don't see how this is a problem. Do you think it is a problem ? If so, then why specifically and do you have any ideas for a solution?

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 05 March 2015 05:47:40AM 12 points [-]

Oh, trust me, they can't discern the truth from wild rumors even if it's normal. (I am speaking of real life, here.)

Comment author: Duncan 05 March 2015 02:30:51PM 10 points [-]

To be fair, it's really hard to figure out WTF is going on when humans are involved. Their reasoning is the result of multiple motivations and a vast array of potential reasoning errors. If you don't believe me try the following board games with your friends: Avalon, Coup, Sheriff of Nottingham, Battlestar Galactica, or any that involve secrets and lying.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 05 March 2015 02:23:10AM 3 points [-]

I'm not sure what you mean here.

Comment author: Duncan 05 March 2015 02:16:22PM 0 points [-]

Edited phrasing to make it more clear....

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 04 March 2015 09:07:12PM *  29 points [-]

I would add a reason for Harry to have the wand.

Like, instead of, "You will not raise your wand", "You will only raise your wand when and how I permit it. Do not demonstrate a spell unless ordered."

That would imply that Voldemort was open to the possibility that Harry might demonstrate something, which would require arming him.

Comment author: Duncan 04 March 2015 09:18:47PM *  4 points [-]

Your phrasing makes it also look like a plausible mistake for someone in a new situation with little time to consider things.

Comment author: Macaulay 04 March 2015 08:36:06PM *  24 points [-]

"Harry, let me verify that your Time-Turner hasn't been used," said Professor McGonagall.

"LOOK OVER THERE!" Harry screamed, already sprinting for the door.

Comment author: Duncan 04 March 2015 09:16:21PM 6 points [-]

A story for the masses is necessary and this doesn't appear to be a bad stab at one. Harry can always bring trusted others on board by telling them what actually happened. He might have actually done that already and this is their plan. How much time did Harry have to do stuff before needing to show up anyhow (40m? 50m?)? Also, Prof. McGonagall is terrible at faking anything so telling her the truth before this seems like a bad idea.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 04 March 2015 09:05:15PM 0 points [-]

So I guess no effort is going to be made to rescue Lucius or Dumbledore directly.

Comment author: Duncan 04 March 2015 09:10:36PM 5 points [-]

Lucius is both dead and warm. I think he's dead dead unless Eliezer has someone like Harry does something in a very narrow time window. Dumbledore is a much easier problem to solve (story wise) and can be solved at the same time as the Atlantis story thread if that is what the author plans.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 04 March 2015 05:50:47PM 8 points [-]

A lot of people think that Voldemort was going too easy on Harry, making this a "Coil vs. Taylor in the burning building" violation of suspension-of-disbelief for some of them. I am considering rewriting 113 with the following changes:

  • Most Death Eaters are watching the surrounding area, not Harry; Voldemort's primary hypothesis for how Time might thwart him involves outside interference.
  • Voldemort tells Harry to point his wand outward and downward at the ground, then has a Death Eater paralyze Harry (except heart/lungs/mouth/eyes) in that position before the unbreakable Vow. This would also require a retroedit to 15 or 28 to make it clear that Transfiguration does not require an exact finger position on the wand.

Submitting...

Comment author: Duncan 04 March 2015 09:06:18PM 6 points [-]

If you want to make the scenario more realistic then put more time pressure on Voldemort or put him under more cognitive stress some other way. The hardest part for Voldemort is solving this problem in a short time span and NOT coming up with a solution that foils Harry. The reason experienced soldiers/gamers with little to no intelligence still win against highly intelligent combatants with no experience is that TIME matters when you're limited to a single human's processing power. In virtually every combat situation one is forced to make decisions faster than one can search the solution space. Only experience compensates for this deficit to any measurable degree. In this situation there are several aspects that Voldemort does not have experience with. If he must spends his cognitive resources considering these aspects and cannot draw from experience it makes mistakes much more likely.

Comment author: Duncan 04 March 2015 08:51:35PM 3 points [-]

I begin to wonder exactly how the story will be wrapped up. I had thought the source of magic would be unlocked or the Deathly Hallows riddle would be tied up. However, I wonder if there are enough chapters to do these things justice. I also wonder whether Eliezer will do anything like was done for Worm where the author invited suggestions for epilogs for specific characters.

Comment author: TobyBartels 01 March 2015 10:09:18AM *  2 points [-]

Other than (5), these are all things that are liable to be true of an AI asking to be let out of the box.

  1. Code that appears Friendly but has not been proved Friendly
  2. Advanced intelligence of the AI
  3. General programming goals, much weaker than (1) really
  4. True verbatim in the standard AI box experiment (and arguably in the real world right now)
Comment author: Duncan 01 March 2015 02:59:02PM 2 points [-]

I see your point, but Voldemort hasn't encountered the AI Box problem has he? Further, I don't think Voldemort has encountered a problem where he's arguing with someone/something he knows is far smarter than himself. He still believes Harry isn't as smart yet.

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