Comment author: NancyLebovitz 07 August 2010 08:35:59PM 5 points [-]

Would you know whether the dogs were border collies?

One of my friends had a border collie when she was a kid, and she told me that the dog was only really happy when the whole family was seated around the dining table.

Comment author: EbfromBoston 07 August 2010 09:40:38PM 2 points [-]

Yes, border collies. The good border collies complete the work loop (move sheep) with minimal expenditure of energy. One would merely raise an eyebrow and the sheep got the message, and moved. Very impressive.

Comment author: RobinZ 07 August 2010 07:57:57PM *  2 points [-]

That's the same source I found for the quotation when I hit up the search engines, but I was rather hoping for a naturalist of some description to back up the theory. I don't see that you could be confident of that explanation without some amount of field work. Who put in the eye-hours to develop and confirm this hypothesis?

Edit: I mean, if Eb the author did, that's fine, but he doesn't even mention growing up in the country.

Comment author: EbfromBoston 07 August 2010 08:15:53PM 3 points [-]

O, btw, I grew up in the country. Spent several years on the sheep farm. Interestingly, the herd dogs use the same "signal" mechanism to move sheep. Rather than run around and bark, they get in "predator" pose and the sheep move accordingly.

Interesting to watch low-power energy, i.e. "signals", accomplish work.

Comment author: RobinZ 07 August 2010 07:57:57PM *  2 points [-]

That's the same source I found for the quotation when I hit up the search engines, but I was rather hoping for a naturalist of some description to back up the theory. I don't see that you could be confident of that explanation without some amount of field work. Who put in the eye-hours to develop and confirm this hypothesis?

Edit: I mean, if Eb the author did, that's fine, but he doesn't even mention growing up in the country.

Comment author: EbfromBoston 07 August 2010 08:13:39PM *  8 points [-]

Sorry for not citing my fox/rabbit scenario; I am the author in question... I was basing my tale on observations made by some European ethologist/semiotician. The signals given by animals as they navigate the "umwelt". I read Uexkull, Kalevi Kull, Jesper Hoffmeyer, and Thomas Sebeok, among others.

Somewhere was the description in question. The author said that he had something like 10,000 hours of observation.

Sorry for not citing my sources. I'll try to be more precise in note-taking.

But it was a thrill that someone read my website!

http://adaptingsystems.com

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