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Comment author: lmn 21 May 2017 02:21:56AM 3 points [-]

And you think your concern trolling is contributing to reasonable discourse?

Comment author: Elo 21 May 2017 04:09:33AM 1 point [-]

This thread is over. Tapping out on behalf of all participants.

Comment author: Error 19 May 2017 12:45:27AM 0 points [-]

I'm searching for a quote. It goes something like this:

"In nearly every contest there comes a point where one competitor has decided that they are going to lose. Sometimes it's near the end; sometimes it's right at the start. After that point, everything they do will be aimed at bringing that result to pass."

And then continues in that vein for a bit. I don't have the wording close enough to correct for Google to get me what I'm looking for, though. And I could swear I've seen it quoted here before. Does someone else remember the source?

Comment author: Elo 19 May 2017 03:35:00AM 0 points [-]

The ferrett had a quote like that.

Comment author: ChristianKl 18 May 2017 02:14:05PM 1 point [-]

If being social means having small talk than it doesn't help with your hard problems but various forms of social interaction do help.

In many fields networking is essential to success. Many people in this community might be more successful if they had better social skills and that requires practice.

Comment author: Elo 18 May 2017 09:28:39PM 0 points [-]

Distinctly social strikes me as reading a newspaper.

In many fields networking is essential to success.

These statements do not disagree with each other. If it is necessary to be social, be social. If I worked in a job where knowing what paper-reader attitude is, then I would read the paper. But I wouldn't read the weekend paper for fun.

I would not be encouraging social more than it is necessary. Unless you have a strategy surrounding trying to be in the right place at the right time for serendipitous opportunity.

Comment author: MrMind 18 May 2017 02:29:53PM 0 points [-]

Step 1. Optimal rationality

Easy peasy.

Comment author: Elo 18 May 2017 09:22:34PM 0 points [-]

My point exactly

Comment author: Lumifer 17 May 2017 02:52:54PM *  0 points [-]

I wonder if a control model which does what you want only, say,1% of the time can be defined "bad" or not.

I see its greatest benefit as showing what is possible.

In the weight-loss arena beliefs along the lines "It is impossible for me to lose weight -- I just can't! I've tried a dozen of different diets and none worked!" are very common. CICO as a control model is guaranteed to work (by physics) and realizing this shifts the focus from "I can't do anything, the universe won't let me" to "How can I change myself to make this work".

there must be a better model

Sure. The issue is that, I think, which model is "better" depends on the person. There is no universal answer (sorry, diet book writers), what works for one won't work for another.

Comment author: Elo 17 May 2017 11:20:00PM 0 points [-]

Step 1. Optimal rationality
Step 2. Easy weight loss with the cico model

Comment author: ChristianKl 17 May 2017 02:58:26PM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure on what it specifically means the word "anti-advice", but if it's along the line of excluding possibly useless models, then sure, it's anti-advice but it's still useful.

The paragraph you wrote has the potential to make a reader believe they have less agency about weight loss and thus be less motivated to do the straightforward actions that the CICO model recommends.

While you claim to steelman you don't provide any arguments for which you believe that isn't the case and why believing no-CICO would be better for someone who wants to lose weight.

Comment author: Elo 17 May 2017 11:18:27PM 0 points [-]

I take, "bad control model" to mean, "it explains weight in terms of cico but the phrase cico does not tell you about the hard step of making your brain go along with it (the control model)".

I agree with that, but I would also suggest that even a bad control model is useful compared to terribly wrong models claiming to be right, for we know this model is wrong.

Comment author: Elo 17 May 2017 11:03:13PM *  2 points [-]

I have massively decreased my social time following my noticing the productive people I am trying to emulate instead get a specific high value density social instead of buckets of exploration social.

I am not sure if fixing lonely is something I want to encourage people to work on instead of the hard problems.

Distinctly social strikes me as reading a newspaper. You can do it every day until you die. Compared to publishing a proof and leaving a legacy in the body of knowledge that we call humanity.

I am not saying ignore social, I am saying remember it's place in the total irrelevance of life's features

Comment author: paperphone 17 May 2017 02:15:47AM 0 points [-]

Can you list the other techniques as well? I want to try whatever I can.

Comment author: Elo 17 May 2017 08:44:50AM 0 points [-]

I would suggest reinterpretation of those memories into what they did for you or how you learnt to act differently in similar circumstances. Gain value from your experiences. If you would do nothing different then you own your mistakes and accept the consequences without regret.

Comment author: Elo 15 May 2017 11:01:09AM 0 points [-]
Comment author: WalterL 01 May 2017 07:53:08PM 1 point [-]

I am constantly vexed by people who want time estimates before they give requirements. They teach us to say 'no' to this, in college, but it turns out you can't do that in the real world. So we are placed in the position of estimating how long it will take to code 'something', without enough detail about what the 'something' is to allow us to make an educated guess.

It's maddening.

Comment author: Elo 02 May 2017 01:09:05AM 1 point [-]

support the idea of picking a number, multiplying by 20. Then considering if you should multiply by 20 again.

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