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In response to Am I Really an X?
Comment author: math77 18 August 2017 12:30:03AM 0 points [-]

As I understand it, there is a phenomenon among transgender people where no matter what they do they can't help but ask themselves the question, "Am I really an [insert self-reported gender category here]?"

The obvious answer is "No". In fact this experience seems suspiciously like trying to make oneself belief that one believes one's gender to be X.

Humans universally make inferences about their typicality with respect to their self-reported gender. Check Google Scholar for 'self-perceived gender typicality' for further reading. So when I refer to a transman, by my model, I mean, "A human whose self-reporting algorithm returns the gender category 'male', but whose self-perceived gender typicality checker returns 'Highly atypical!'"

And the word 'human' at the beginning of that sentence is important. I do not mean "A human that is secretly, essentially a girl," or "A human that is secretly, essentially a boy,"; I just mean a human. I postulate that there are not boy typicality checkers and girl typicality checkers; there are typicality checkers that take an arbitrary gender category as input and return a measure of that human's self-perceived typicality with regard to the category.

While we're assigning categories in complete defiance to common sense and evidence, why are we so sure that the category "human" is applicable?

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Comment author: Elo 18 August 2017 02:07:49AM 0 points [-]

Ban ban ban

Comment author: pepe_prime 17 August 2017 12:51:54PM 0 points [-]

Minor nit: The emotional intelligence example seems to have no effect.

Comment author: Elo 17 August 2017 11:07:34PM 0 points [-]

Looks like you are referring to replication problems. Without reading the papers, I am not sure which way this one will hold but you can test this yourself. doing the pen-in-teeth experiment and watch a funny youtube clip and then rate how funny it is. repeat for other less-funny clips (yes it's bad science but it's worth trying)

Meetup : Sydney Rationality - Pub Meetup - August

0 Elo 17 August 2017 11:03PM

Discussion article for the meetup : Sydney Rationality - Pub Meetup - August

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Comment author: entirelyuseless 16 August 2017 01:27:43AM 0 points [-]

I have parts of my brain that are like that, and I suspect that most people do. But if "meditation only causes you to pay attention to those thoughts" then you are probably doing it wrong.

Comment author: Elo 16 August 2017 01:57:37AM 0 points [-]

You need to notice them to then decide what to do about them.

Comment author: disconnect 15 August 2017 01:36:15PM 0 points [-]

People who become passionate about meditation tend to say that the hardest part is encountering "dark things in your mind".

What do meditators mean by this?

Comment author: Elo 15 August 2017 10:28:37PM 0 points [-]

What if you discovered that a part of your brain doesn't like when your friends are happier than you?

What if you discovered a part of your brain just wants to wirehead itself?

What if you discovered a part of your brain that likes to come up with ideas about how horrible you are and then meditation only causes you to pay attention to those thoughts?

In response to Am I Really an X?
Comment author: math75 15 August 2017 06:13:38AM 0 points [-]

As I understand it, there is a phenomenon among transgender people where no matter what they do they can't help but ask themselves the question, "Am I really an [insert self-reported gender category here]?"

The obvious answer is "No". In fact this experience seems suspiciously like trying to make oneself belief that one believes one's gender to be X.

Humans universally make inferences about their typicality with respect to their self-reported gender. Check Google Scholar for 'self-perceived gender typicality' for further reading. So when I refer to a transman, by my model, I mean, "A human whose self-reporting algorithm returns the gender category 'male', but whose self-perceived gender typicality checker returns 'Highly atypical!'"

And the word 'human' at the beginning of that sentence is important. I do not mean "A human that is secretly, essentially a girl," or "A human that is secretly, essentially a boy,"; I just mean a human. I postulate that there are not boy typicality checkers and girl typicality checkers; there are typicality checkers that take an arbitrary gender category as input and return a measure of that human's self-perceived typicality with regard to the category.

While we're assigning categories in complete defiance to common sense and evidence, why are we so sure that the category "human" is applicable?

In response to comment by math75 on Am I Really an X?
Comment author: Elo 15 August 2017 08:09:05AM 0 points [-]

Wow really? You came back? How about go fuck yourself. Banned for life is banned for life you fucking troll.

Get out and don't come back. If you never initiate conversation with the admins you will never be allowed back.

Comment author: SquirrelInHell 14 August 2017 09:08:00PM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure if I should be talking publicly about techniques that are this powerful... but, it is done. Now, everyone can attempt to master the technique, and wield its amazing power. How will the world change?

Comment author: Elo 14 August 2017 11:10:59PM 1 point [-]

I appreciate your last line.

Repairing Anxiety using Internal and External locus of control models

3 Elo 12 August 2017 08:05AM

Original post: http://bearlamp.com.au/repairing-anxiety-using-internal-and-external-locus-of-control-models/

I want you to examine your map.  It's the representation you carry around in your head that says, "I am in control of most things" or it says, "most things are out of my control".  Or for very specific things it says, "I am in control" or "I am not in control".

Factually - In the territory - through life things are more and less in your control or shaped by events beyond your control in the external world. Independent of your locus of control, can be noted the way you feel about a problem alongside whether it is internal of external locus of control.   As a separation of cause and effect.  (Of concrete event and their surrounding judgements, evaluations, conclusions or extrapolations)


This might already seem obvious but let's make some examples to play with.  Here are some times that you might feel in control or out of control.

  1. Internal-Good: I am the lead on the project so everything is going to get done my way (the right way).
  2. Internal-Bad: My house is a mess and it's my fault.  It won't get tidy unless I do something about it and it's bothering me.
  3. External-Good: I outsourced my tax to an accountant.  Now I have less to worry about.
  4. External-Bad: I got the flu, how does this keep happening to me?!?

In these examples it's clear what's going on (the concrete) and it's supposed to be clear whether it's an internal or external locus of control, and the feeling is mentioned. Now lets play with them.  Can we shift the concrete experiences to a different locus of control? from the original first example we can shift the event to the 4 quadrants above

  1. Internal-good: I am the lead on the project so everything is going to get done my way (the right way).
  2. Internal-bad: I am the lead on the project.  It's all on me. What if I make a mistake, it will be all my fault.  I don't know if I can handle it.
  3. External-good: I am the lead on the project, I have so much responsibility at work, they must know I can handle it.  
  4. External-bad: I am the lead on the project. I am under so much pressure at work.  It's stressing me out!

But that's not the only example that can shift.

  1. Internal-good: My house is a mess, it's my fault but I don't care.  I am having way too much fun to bother with it.  I will deal with it when it bothers me enough or when I find time
  2. Internal-bad: My house is a mess and it's my fault.  It won't get tidy unless I do something about it and it's bothering me.
  3. External-good: My house is a mess and it's my fault, lucky for me no one cares!  I can get away with it because it doesn't matter.  
  4. External-bad: My house is a mess and it's my fault, what if anyone sees, I can't have friends over, what would they think of me?  I have too much to do, life never gives me enough time to hold myself together

As we try each example...

  1. Internal-good: I outsourced my tax to an accountant.  I am a powerful agent that can decide to not do tasks if I don't want to.  I know my strengths and this is not one of them.
  2. Internal-bad: I outsourced my tax to an accountant.  I am incompetent about finance, it's my fault I have to pay someone to do this for me.
  3. External-good: I outsourced my tax to an accountant.  Now I have less to worry about.
  4. External-bad: I outsourced my tax to an accountant. My tax was too hard, I had no choice but to pay someone to fix it for me
  1. Internal-good: I got the flu.  I had to take care of my sick friends, I knew there was a risk but you gotta live.
  2. Internal-Bad: I got the flu. I hate public transport, so many sick people I always get sick.  I can't help it.
  3. External-good: I got the flu. these things happen.  Better take it easy or I will be sick for longer.
  4. External-bad: I got the flu, how does this keep happening to me?!?

Curious isn't it.  Any concrete experience can be shifted to a good/bad feeling, and any locus of control can be shifted to a internal/external locus of control as well. As a person who has an ego that barely fits in the room, it means that I am very practised at living in that first row of the square.  That means I am looking for a method that either obtains power/control for myself or bestows responsibility to the external locus of control. If you carry anxieties around with you, chances are they have some perspective that can be changed by hanging around in the other part of the square.  Obviously this is not yet a method for getting you into the first row of the square but moving in that direction is the strategy below.

How?

The only method I want to mention in this article is to switch locus of control.  So if you are in Internal-bad try switch to external and see what comes up.  That is; move diagonally in the table. Going from; Internal-bad: My house is a mess and it's my fault.  It won't get tidy unless I do something about it and it's bothering me. To: External-good: My house is a mess and it's my fault, lucky for me no one else cares!  I can get away with it because it doesn't matter to anyone else and no one can see. While avoiding: External-bad: My house is a mess and it's my fault, what if anyone sees, I can't have friends over, what would they think of me?  I have too much to do, life never gives me enough time to hold myself together How exactly? Try:

  1. Write down the problem in concrete form.  Or get clear on what the problem is somehow.  You can talk to a friend or just think about it so long as you lock down what the problem is.  The benefit of writing it down is that once written it's not going to squirm in your head and be the elusive spiralling colour changing problem monster.
  2. Decide which locus of control you are currently in. (or just pick one.  It can't both be "my fault" and "not my problem" at the same time" so start somewhere and switch.)
  3. Try think of ways in which the problem is in the other locus of control.  ("Not my problem" or "I can take charge of this problem")
  4. If 3 seems impossible - ask other people for help.  They will be able to see your situation differently and suggest ways of looking that are in the other locus of control.

It would be very hard for a problem to be both entirely your fault (caused by you) and the world hating you (caused by external forces) at the same time.  It's also remarkably hard to be in control of a problem and have it be not your problem.  What I am saying is that it would have to either be your problem or not your problem.  It would be hard to be both.


Meta: changing your internal models of locus of control is an internal locus of control method.  Unless you propose, "this is the way I am I can't change it" which would be an external locus of control explanation. I don't know how to build on this so it will have to come in another post.  having this out there will help to make it easier to build on later.


Meta: this took around 2.5 hours to put together.

Comment author: disconnect 07 August 2017 08:31:08PM 0 points [-]

The biggest problem I have with game and game methodology is that we all play a one-shot version. With high stakes of failure. Which means some of the iteration and having to fail while you learn how to not be terrible - will permanently damage your reputation. There is no perfect "retry" - a reputation will follow you basically to the ends of the earth and back. As much as game will teach you some things, the other models in this list have better information for you and are going to go further than game.

Isn't a big part of pick-up that you can iterate, and that there's really almost no punishment for failure other than your own emotions? I can't imagine running out of new people in any large city.

Comment author: Elo 07 August 2017 10:16:26PM 0 points [-]

Yes that's a big part of the concept but via Facebook everyone has mutual friends now and people do actually run out very quickly.

Comment author: Elo 03 August 2017 08:16:12PM 0 points [-]

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