Comment author:FAWS
25 August 2010 09:06:15AM
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6 points
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My biggest issue with the fic so far is that the bizzare way Alice's precognition interacts with peoples decisions (I have no idea whether it works like that in the original novels since I haven't read a word from them) doesn't seem to puzzle Bella at all.
If people are just a physical system like any other Alice's powers should be able to predict them just like any other physical system. Since they are strangely unpredictable for her exploring what other physical systems are similarly unpredictable should provide information on how people work. For instance if Alice can't predict anything influenced by quantum events that would be a big clue that quantum events are involved in cognition. if she can't predict anything sufficiently chaotic (in the chaos theory sense) that would give away how chaotic people's decision making is.
If nothing inanimate poses similar difficulties that points towards either a psychological limitation she might be able to break out of, or the existence of some sort of magical free will in that universe. Do any animals have it? In addition to humans vampires obviously also do. And pointing this out to Edward (who apparently believes in the existence of souls, but also that he doesn't have one) might be useful.
Comment author:Euphemism
28 August 2010 08:10:41PM
5 points
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You know, I'd never thought I'd stay up late (2AM!) reading Twilight fanfiction. I've done it for Harry Potter, but Twilight?
In any case, possible manipulation of Alice's precognition makes me think of Kavka's toxin puzzle
In particular, if Bella intends to do something knowing it will trigger Alice to see it in the future, but then the payoff comes through via Alice seeing it... it's not quite the same setup.
I don't think this actually occurs in the story up to where I'm currently at (I recall a scene where Bella mentions she'll do something/say something to Alice, Alice sees it in the future and explains it, Bella questions it, and Alice says that what she saw was what would have happened if she hadn't seen the vision), but I do wonder if this could apply some limitations in some form - 'I intend to do X that I really really don't want to do, but will do it because it will trigger Alice's vision which will then make it so that I don't have to do it'.
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My biggest issue with the fic so far is that the bizzare way Alice's precognition interacts with peoples decisions (I have no idea whether it works like that in the original novels since I haven't read a word from them) doesn't seem to puzzle Bella at all.
If people are just a physical system like any other Alice's powers should be able to predict them just like any other physical system. Since they are strangely unpredictable for her exploring what other physical systems are similarly unpredictable should provide information on how people work. For instance if Alice can't predict anything influenced by quantum events that would be a big clue that quantum events are involved in cognition. if she can't predict anything sufficiently chaotic (in the chaos theory sense) that would give away how chaotic people's decision making is.
If nothing inanimate poses similar difficulties that points towards either a psychological limitation she might be able to break out of, or the existence of some sort of magical free will in that universe. Do any animals have it? In addition to humans vampires obviously also do. And pointing this out to Edward (who apparently believes in the existence of souls, but also that he doesn't have one) might be useful.
You know, I'd never thought I'd stay up late (2AM!) reading Twilight fanfiction. I've done it for Harry Potter, but Twilight?
In any case, possible manipulation of Alice's precognition makes me think of Kavka's toxin puzzle
In particular, if Bella intends to do something knowing it will trigger Alice to see it in the future, but then the payoff comes through via Alice seeing it... it's not quite the same setup.
I don't think this actually occurs in the story up to where I'm currently at (I recall a scene where Bella mentions she'll do something/say something to Alice, Alice sees it in the future and explains it, Bella questions it, and Alice says that what she saw was what would have happened if she hadn't seen the vision), but I do wonder if this could apply some limitations in some form - 'I intend to do X that I really really don't want to do, but will do it because it will trigger Alice's vision which will then make it so that I don't have to do it'.