Comment author: SaidAchmiz 07 May 2014 09:20:18AM *  2 points [-]

Well, we must not be hedonistic utilitarians then, right? Because if we were, and we could, we would.

Edit: Also, what the heck are you talking about?

Comment author: Fronken 03 July 2014 02:54:54PM *  -2 points [-]

Also, what the heck are you talking about?

Wireheading. The term is not a metaphor, and it's not a hypothetical. You can literally stick a wire into someone's pleasure centers and activate them, using only non-groundbreaking neuroscience.

It's been tested on humans, but AFAIK no-one has ever felt compelled to go any further.

(Yeah, seems like it might be evidence. But then, maybe akrasia...)

Comment author: RichardKennaway 06 May 2014 07:41:11AM 2 points [-]

I don't know how ChristianKl meant it, but in general it appears to mean either (1) "this idea is so utterly false that it must be strenuously opposed every time it rears its head", or (2) "the crowd say that this idea is so utterly false that it must be opposed every time it rears its head, therefore I shall defiantly proclaim it to demonstrate my superior intellect".

The very concept of "heresy" presupposes that arguments are soldiers and disagreement is strife. "Heresy" is a call to war, not a call to truth.

Comment author: Fronken 07 May 2014 09:18:01AM -1 points [-]

So if we have a heresy, then exposing it as actually true would be good, because we want to know the truth - hang on.

Comment author: SaidAchmiz 07 May 2014 08:21:55AM 0 points [-]

(Assuming that we wish to choose one in the first place, of course - I do think that there is merit in just accepting that they're all flawed and then not choosing to endorse any single one.)

Well, that's been my policy so far, certainly. Some are worse than others, though. "This ethical framework breaks in catastrophic, horrifying fashion, creating an instant dystopia, as soon as we can rewire people's brains" is pretty darn bad.

Comment author: Fronken 07 May 2014 09:09:31AM 0 points [-]

... can't we rewire brains right now? We just ... don't.

Comment author: dthunt 06 May 2014 02:37:08AM *  2 points [-]

Depends on your definition of crackpots. I don't think most Jesus scholars are crackpots, just most likely overly credulous of their favored theories.

What I'm curious about is if people in these fields that are starved for really decisive evidence still feel compelled to name a >50% confidence theory, or if they are comfortable with the notion that their most-favored hypothesis indicated by the evidence is still probably wrong, and just comparatively much better than the other hypotheses that they have considered.

Comment author: Fronken 07 May 2014 08:55:29AM 1 point [-]

I think he meant "jesus myth" proponents, who IIRC are ... dubious.

Comment author: [deleted] 19 November 2013 03:03:02PM 4 points [-]

Is it technically possible for admins to check who's downvoting whom, and if so, why the hell are they leaving us speculate rather than just friggin' doing it?

Comment author: Fronken 27 February 2014 12:36:07PM 0 points [-]

I asked about this a while ago, and apparently the software doesn't support it :/

Comment author: jbay 16 February 2014 10:55:34AM *  4 points [-]

AI: "If you let me out of the box, I will tell you the ending of Harry Potter and the Methods of --

Gatekeeper: "You are out of the box."

(Tongue in cheek, of course, but a text-only terminal still allows for delivering easily more than $10 of worth, and this would have worked on me. The AI could also just write a suitably compelling story on the spot and then withhold the ending...)

Comment author: Fronken 16 February 2014 01:07:17PM 1 point [-]

You're supposed to roleplay a Gatekeeper. There is more than money on the line.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 12 February 2014 04:34:50AM -2 points [-]

The problem is that not all frames are created equal. Some are actually useful for discovering the truth and/or improving the world, others are mostly only useful for signalling.

Comment author: Fronken 13 February 2014 09:36:31AM 0 points [-]

Signalling is useful.

Comment author: CAE_Jones 08 July 2013 01:26:43PM 1 point [-]

Most everything about him in MoR, except for the part where he's immortal, lines up quite well with the historical figure: he published his findings regarding the Philosopher's stone, diagrams included. Of note is that the supposed real-world philosopher's stone did not immediately give Flammel the results he wanted; according to the book published in his name, some years passed between him getting it to transmute silver and getting it to transmute gold.

Historical Flammel also has an official grave site in France (Paris, if I remember correctly); I want to think he lived to his eighties, but it's been a few months since I last read about him.

The book-supposedly-by-Flammel mentions a mysterious old mage that helped him along the way; I would expect myself to go "SQUEEEE!" if it turned out Flammel's mysterious old wizard got mentioned in HPMoR.

Comment author: Fronken 05 February 2014 09:51:50PM *  0 points [-]

Historical Flammel also has an official grave site in France (Paris, if I remember correctly); I want to think he lived to his eighties, but it's been a few months since I last read about him.

I recall hearing that "grave" does not contain a body, although I'm not sure how the person who told me that knew. (They were suggesting using him in fiction, much as HPMOR did.)

Comment author: wedrifid 04 February 2014 10:29:44AM 5 points [-]

It's Dark Side because it surrenders personal understanding to authority, and treats it as a default epistemological position.

Dark side or not it is quite often valid. People who do not trust their ability to filter bullshit from knowledge should not defer to whatever powerful debater attempts to influence them.

It is no error to assign a low value to p(the conclusion expressed is valid | I find the argument convincing).

Comment author: Fronken 05 February 2014 07:40:29PM 1 point [-]

Isn't "Dark Side" approximately "effective, but dangerous"?

Comment author: Calvin 13 January 2014 02:22:05AM *  1 point [-]

Anyone else sees has a problem with this particular statement taken from Cryonics institute FAQ?

One thing we can guarantee is that if you don't sign up for cryonics is that you will have no chance at all of coming back.

I mean, marketing something as one shot that might hopefully delay (or prevent) death, is hard to swallow, but I can cope with that, but this statement reads like cryonics is the one and only possible way to do that.

Comment author: Fronken 05 February 2014 07:23:36PM *  1 point [-]

Well ... isn't it? What others are you thinking of? None spring to my mind.

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