Comment author: Aiyen 15 January 2015 03:13:24AM 0 points [-]

It looks like a signal to me. Maybe we're misinterpreting, but if so, we have multiple people making the same mistake.

Comment author: G-Max 15 January 2015 04:21:10AM -1 points [-]

Given the politicians we have in office, I'd say that "multiple people making the same mistake" is a fairly common phenomenon :)

But please, explain exactly what information you think she's conveying and why you think that this is the most probable explanation for... whatever you think you're seeing.

Comment author: Kindly 15 January 2015 02:50:04AM 4 points [-]

Whether or not the subcultural signals are there or not, the only thing that matters if you want an explanation of the "1"s is whether many people would think that the subcultural signals are there. And I think that we've established that enough people not only think so, but don't understand why you can't see them.

Comment author: G-Max 15 January 2015 03:05:57AM 0 points [-]

Alright, since you've given the only remotely rational response, I'll pass the ball on to you. Would you be interested in making guesses about me based on my own OKC pictures, and then learning how right or wrong your guesses are?

Comment author: benwr 14 January 2015 02:34:54AM *  2 points [-]

The problem with these particular extensions is that they don't sound plausible for this type of AI. In my opinion it would be easier when talking with designers to switch from this example to a slightly more sci-fi example.

The leap is between the obvious "it's 'manipulating' its editors by recognizing simple patterns in their behavior" to "it's manipulating its editors by correctly interpreting the causes underlying their behavior."

Much easier to extend in the other direction first: "Now imagine that it's not an article-writer, but a science officer aboard the commercial spacecraft Nostromo..."

Comment author: G-Max 14 January 2015 12:07:31PM 0 points [-]

Upvoted for remembering that Ash was the science officer and not just the movie's token android.

In response to Epistemic Luck
Comment author: G-Max 14 January 2015 12:00:33PM 1 point [-]

"But dang, that argument my teacher explained to me sure was sound-looking! I must just be lucky - those poor saps with other teachers have it wrong!"

This is actually something I've been wondering about regarding the disproportionate overlap between libertarianism and anthropogenic global warming skepticism. I'd like to think that this disproportionate overlap is because both views stem from a rational and objective assessment of the available data, but at the same time, I can't deny that anthropogenic global warming would throw a monkey wrench into libertarian philosophy if it was real, so being skeptical of it saves us from doing an awful lot of mental gymnastics...

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