Comment author: Gondolinian 10 June 2015 02:18:06PM *  1 point [-]

Ideas from recent discussion regarding changes to the karma system and/or addition of new sections:

[in progress]

Make downvotes cost some of the downvoter's karma. (h/t RichardKennaway and Houshalter)

Only allow users with a certain amount of karma to downvote. (The actual amount can be worked out later.) (h/t ete and Houshalter)

Create a new and separate from Main and Discussion section with either no karma, like the SSC discussions, or only upvotes, like Tumblr, Facebook and other social media services used by rationalists.

Create a new section for links to interesting posts on external rationalist blogs. (h/t Houshalter) [I apologize for the overlap with the previous poll; I found this idea only after I'd made it.]

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Comment author: Gondolinian 11 June 2015 07:10:32PM *  0 points [-]

Keep the same upvote/downvote system for individual comments and posts, but don't keep a total karma score for each user on their user page. Alternatively, keep a total karma score, but don't keep a total percent-positive score. (I believe the EA forum uses the former system, and Reddit the latter, but please correct me if I'm wrong about this.)

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Comment author: RyanCarey 10 June 2015 05:44:08PM 0 points [-]

Create a new section for links to interesting posts on external rationalist blogs

There already is 'recently on rationality blogs'

Comment author: Gondolinian 10 June 2015 06:05:53PM 2 points [-]

True, but that's only from a very limited number of sources (~4?); it doesn't include the dozens of smaller blogs. It's also a straight feed--no filtering out of housekeeping, meta posts, etc.--and it only shows 5 links which are quickly pushed aside by newer ones, while a section for links would keep all of them accessible and searchable.

Comment author: Gondolinian 10 June 2015 05:12:22PM *  1 point [-]

Ideas from recent discussion regarding changes to the Promotion system:

[in progress]

Have Promotion be based on some kind of popular vote (not necessarily karma) or some other kind of community decision, instead of an Editor's decision.

Allow posts from Discussion to be Promoted without having to first be moved to Main.

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Comment author: [deleted] 10 June 2015 03:52:41PM *  1 point [-]

I’m new to this discussion, so please excuse if this point has been discussed before: Perhaps it would be helpful to allow LW users to send optional (?) and anonymous messages when downvoting. I think, what is inefficient or even harsh about downvotes is that you cannot judge (1) whether the downvoter is actually in the position to judge you and (2) what the exact reason for the downvote is. It’s a bit like the (sometimes anxiety inducing) exercise of reading social cues, but it is in this case even more difficult due to the abstraction to a number.

Edit: Perhaps the downvote could also provide some anonymized information like karma, comment count and account creation date.

Comment author: Gondolinian 10 June 2015 04:02:13PM *  1 point [-]

This is already possible by logging into the Username account and sending a message or reply from there, but we could do something to make it more convenient. Thanks for the idea.

ETA: One possible issue with this I see is that the anonymity might encourage people to be meaner than they would be when posting/messaging under their main account, but perhaps there are ways around this?

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Comment author: Gondolinian 10 June 2015 02:18:06PM *  1 point [-]

Ideas from recent discussion regarding changes to the karma system and/or addition of new sections:

[in progress]

Make downvotes cost some of the downvoter's karma. (h/t RichardKennaway and Houshalter)

Only allow users with a certain amount of karma to downvote. (The actual amount can be worked out later.) (h/t ete and Houshalter)

Create a new and separate from Main and Discussion section with either no karma, like the SSC discussions, or only upvotes, like Tumblr, Facebook and other social media services used by rationalists.

Create a new section for links to interesting posts on external rationalist blogs. (h/t Houshalter) [I apologize for the overlap with the previous poll; I found this idea only after I'd made it.]

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Comment author: diegocaleiro 08 June 2015 09:15:23PM 1 point [-]

Would you be willing to run a survey on Discussion also about Main being based on upvotes instead of a mix of self-selection and moderation? As well as all ideas that seem interesting to you that people suggest here?

There could be a research section, a Upvoted section and a discussion section, where the research section is also displayed within the upvoted, trending one.

Comment author: Gondolinian 10 June 2015 01:56:19PM 1 point [-]

On second thought, I'll risk it. (I might post a comment to it with a compilation of my ideas and my favorites of others' ideas, but it might take me a while.)

[Informal/Colloquial] Open Survey: Ideas for Improving Less Wrong

4 Gondolinian 10 June 2015 01:53PM

[I apologize if this is considered lower-quality content, but I felt this was too big for an open thread post, and Discussion is currently the next-lowest option.]

Inspired by the recent discussion surrounding Lesswrong, Effective Altruism Forum and Slate Star Codex: Harm Reduction, this thread is intended for brainstorming ideas to improve Less Wrong, and also for including polls with your ideas as an easy way to get an estimate of what people in the community think of them.

Information on putting polls in comments can be found here.  Please be thoughtful about how you word your poll options, and (in the case of multiple-choice polls) include a "no vote" or equivalent option so that people who just want to see the poll results won't be forced into picking an option they don't really support.

Thanks to everyone who shares ideas and everyone who takes the time to think about them and vote!

 

Comment author: Jiro 09 June 2015 06:05:45PM 1 point [-]

Those are all phrased as "do you agree that people are saying X" or "do you agree that we could X" rather than "is X a good idea".

Comment author: Gondolinian 09 June 2015 06:41:08PM 0 points [-]

Good point, thanks. I was already not a fan of the way the polls made the post look, so I went ahead and took them down. I could replace them with something better, but I think this thread has already gotten most of the attention it's going to get, so I might as well just leave the post as it is.

Comment author: diegocaleiro 08 June 2015 09:15:23PM 1 point [-]

Would you be willing to run a survey on Discussion also about Main being based on upvotes instead of a mix of self-selection and moderation? As well as all ideas that seem interesting to you that people suggest here?

There could be a research section, a Upvoted section and a discussion section, where the research section is also displayed within the upvoted, trending one.

Comment author: Gondolinian 09 June 2015 05:12:46PM 0 points [-]

Would you be willing to run a survey on Discussion also about Main being based on upvotes instead of a mix of self-selection and moderation? As well as all ideas that seem interesting to you that people suggest here?

I'd rather not expose myself to the potential downvotes of a full Discussion post, and I also don't know how to put polls in full posts, only in comments. Nonetheless I am pretty pro-poll in general and I'll try to include more of them with my ideas.

Comment author: ete 09 June 2015 04:04:07PM 1 point [-]

Another approach would be not allowing downvote to be open to all users. On the Stackexchage network for example, you need a certain amount of reputation to downvote someone. I'd bet that a very large majority of the discouraging/unnecessary/harmful downvotes come from users who don't have above, say, 5-15 karma in the last month. Perhaps official downvote policies messaged to a user the first time they pass that would help too.

This way involved users can still downvote bad posts, and the bulk of the problem is solved.

But it requires technical work, which may be an issue.

Comment author: Gondolinian 09 June 2015 04:41:17PM *  0 points [-]

Perhaps official downvote policies messaged to a user the first time they pass that would help too.

Anything with messages could be implemented by a bot account, right? That could be made without having to change the Less Wrong code itself.

Maybe we could send a message to users with guidelines on downvoting every time they downvote something? This would gently discourage heavy and/or poorly reasoned downvoting, likely without doing too much damage to the kind of downvoting we want. One issue with this is it would likely be very difficult or practically impossible for a bot account to know when someone downvotes something without changing the LW code. (Though it probably wouldn't require a very big change, and things could be limited to just the bot account(s).)

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