For The People Who Are Still Alive
Max Tegmark observed that we have three independent reasons to believe we live in a Big World: A universe which is large relative to the space of possibilities. For example, on current physics, the universe appears to be spatially infinite (though I'm not clear on how strongly this is implied by the standard model).
If the universe is spatially infinite, then, on average, we should expect that no more than 10^10^29 meters away is an exact duplicate of you. If you're looking for an exact duplicate of a Hubble volume - an object the size of our observable universe - then you should still on average only need to look 10^10^115 lightyears. (These are numbers based on a highly conservative counting of "physically possible" states, e.g. packing the whole Hubble volume with potential protons at maximum density given by the Pauli Exclusion principle, and then allowing each proton to be present or absent.)
The most popular cosmological theories also call for an "inflationary" scenario in which many different universes would be eternally budding off, our own universe being only one bud. And finally there are the alternative decoherent branches of the grand quantum distribution, aka "many worlds", whose presence is unambiguously implied by the simplest mathematics that fits our quantum experiments.
Ever since I realized that physics seems to tell us straight out that we live in a Big World, I've become much less focused on creating lots of people, and much more focused on ensuring the welfare of people who are already alive.
2016 LessWrong Diaspora Survey Analysis: Part Four (Politics, Calibration & Probability, Futurology, Charity & Effective Altruism)
Politics
The LessWrong survey has a very involved section dedicated to politics. In previous analysis the benefits of this weren't fully realized. In the 2016 analysis we can look at not just the political affiliation of a respondent, but what beliefs are associated with a certain affiliation. The charts below summarize most of the results.
Political Opinions By Political Affiliation

Miscellaneous Politics
There were also some other questions in this section which aren't covered by the above charts.
Voting
| Group | Turnout |
|---|---|
| LessWrong | 68.9% |
| Austrailia | 91% |
| Brazil | 78.90% |
| Britain | 66.4% |
| Canada | 68.3% |
| Finland | 70.1% |
| France | 79.48% |
| Germany | 71.5% |
| India | 66.3% |
| Israel | 72% |
| New Zealand | 77.90% |
| Russia | 65.25% |
| United States | 54.9% |
Calibration And Probability Questions
Calibration Questions
I just couldn't analyze these, sorry guys. I put many hours into trying to get them into a decent format I could even read and that sucked up an incredible amount of time. It's why this part of the survey took so long to get out. Thankfully another LessWrong user, Houshalter, has kindly done their own analysis.
All my calibration questions were meant to satisfy a few essential properties:
- They should be 'self contained'. I.E, something you can reasonably answer or at least try to answer with a 5th grade science education and normal life experience.
- They should, at least to a certain extent, be Fermi Estimable.
- They should progressively scale in difficulty so you can see whether somebody understands basic probability or not. (eg. In an 'or' question do they put a probability of less than 50% of being right?)
At least one person requested a workbook, so I might write more in the future. I'll obviously write more for the survey.
Probability Questions
| Question | Mean | Median | Mode | Stdev |
| Please give the obvious answer to this question, so I can automatically throw away all surveys that don't follow the rules: What is the probability of a fair coin coming up heads? | 49.821 | 50.0 | 50.0 | 3.033 |
| What is the probability that the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics is more or less correct? | 44.599 | 50.0 | 50.0 | 29.193 |
| What is the probability that non-human, non-Earthly intelligent life exists in the observable universe? | 75.727 | 90.0 | 99.0 | 31.893 |
| ...in the Milky Way galaxy? | 45.966 | 50.0 | 10.0 | 38.395 |
| What is the probability that supernatural events (including God, ghosts, magic, etc) have occurred since the beginning of the universe? | 13.575 | 1.0 | 1.0 | 27.576 |
| What is the probability that there is a god, defined as a supernatural intelligent entity who created the universe? | 15.474 | 1.0 | 1.0 | 27.891 |
| What is the probability that any of humankind's revealed religions is more or less correct? | 10.624 | 0.5 | 1.0 | 26.257 |
| What is the probability that an average person cryonically frozen today will be successfully restored to life at some future time, conditional on no global catastrophe destroying civilization before then? | 21.225 | 10.0 | 5.0 | 26.782 |
| What is the probability that at least one person living at this moment will reach an age of one thousand years, conditional on no global catastrophe destroying civilization in that time? | 25.263 | 10.0 | 1.0 | 30.510 |
| What is the probability that our universe is a simulation? | 25.256 | 10.0 | 50.0 | 28.404 |
| What is the probability that significant global warming is occurring or will soon occur, and is primarily caused by human actions? | 83.307 | 90.0 | 90.0 | 23.167 |
| What is the probability that the human race will make it to 2100 without any catastrophe that wipes out more than 90% of humanity? | 76.310 | 80.0 | 80.0 | 22.933 |
Probability questions is probably the area of the survey I put the least effort into. My plan for next year is to overhaul these sections entirely and try including some Tetlock-esque forecasting questions, a link to some advice on how to make good predictions, etc.
Futurology
This section got a bit of a facelift this year. Including new cryonics questions, genetic engineering, and technological unemployment in addition to the previous years.
Cryonics
Interestingly enough, of those who think it will work with enough confidence to say 'yes', only 14 are actually signed up for cryonics.
sqlite> select count(*) from data where CryonicsNow="Yes" and Cryonics="Yes - signed up or just finishing up paperwork";
14
sqlite> select count(*) from data where CryonicsNow="Yes" and (Cryonics="Yes - signed up or just finishing up paperwork" OR Cryonics="No - would like to sign up but unavailable in my area" OR "No - would like to sign up but haven't gotten around to it" OR "No - would like to sign up but can't afford it");
34
LessWrongers seem to be very bullish on the underlying physics of cryonics even if they're not as enthusiastic about current methods in use.
The Brain Preservation Foundation also did an analysis of cryonics responses to the LessWrong Survey.
Singularity
SingularityYear
By what year do you think the Singularity will occur? Answer such that you think, conditional on the Singularity occurring, there is an even chance of the Singularity falling before or after this year. If you think a singularity is so unlikely you don't even want to condition on it, leave this question blank.
Mean: 8.110300081581755e+16
Median: 2080.0
Mode: 2100.0
Stdev: 2.847858859055733e+18
I didn't bother to filter out the silly answers for this.Obviously it's a bit hard to see without filtering out the uber-large answers, but the median doesn't seem to have changed much from the 2014 survey.
Genetic Engineering
Well that's fairly overwhelming.
I find it amusing how the strict "No" group shrinks considerably after this question.
This question is too important to just not have an answer to so I'll do it manually. Unfortunately I can't easily remove the 'excluded' entries so that we're dealing with the exact same distribution but only 13 or so responses are filtered out anyway.
sqlite> select count(*) from data where GeneticImprovement="Yes";
1100
>>> 1100 + 176 + 262 + 84
1622
>>> 1100 / 1622
0.6781750924784217
67.8% are willing to genetically engineer their children for improvements.
These numbers go about how you would expect, with people being progressively less interested the more 'shallow' a genetic change is seen as.
All three of these seem largely consistent with peoples personal preferences about modification. Were I inclined I could do a deeper analysis that actually takes survey respondents row by row and looks at correlation between preference for ones own children and preference for others.
Technological Unemployment
LudditeFallacy
Do you think the Luddite's Fallacy is an actual fallacy?
Yes: 443 (30.936%)
No: 989 (69.064%)
We can use this as an overall measure of worry about technological unemployment, which would seem to be high among the LW demographic.
UnemploymentYear
By what year do you think the majority of people in your country will have trouble finding employment for automation related reasons? If you think this is something that will never happen leave this question blank.
Mean: 2102.9713740458014
Median: 2050.0
Mode: 2050.0
Stdev: 1180.2342850727339
Question is flawed because you can't distinguish answers of "never happen" from people who just didn't see it.Interesting question that would be fun to take a look at in comparison to the estimates for the singularity.
EndOfWork
Do you think the "end of work" would be a good thing?
Yes: 1238 (81.287%)
No: 285 (18.713%)
Fairly overwhelming consensus, but with a significant minority of people who have a dissenting opinion.
EndOfWorkConcerns
If machines end all or almost all employment, what are your biggest worries? Pick two.
| Question | Count | Percent |
| People will just idle about in destructive ways | 513 | 16.71% |
| People need work to be fulfilled and if we eliminate work we'll all feel deep existential angst | 543 | 17.687% |
| The rich are going to take all the resources for themselves and leave the rest of us to starve or live in poverty | 1066 | 34.723% |
| The machines won't need us, and we'll starve to death or be otherwise liquidated | 416 | 13.55% |
The plurality of worries are about elites who refuse to share their wealth.
Existential Risk
XRiskType
Which disaster do you think is most likely to wipe out greater than 90% of humanity before the year 2100?
Nuclear war: +4.800% 326 (20.6%)
Asteroid strike: -0.200% 64 (4.1%)
Unfriendly AI: +1.000% 271 (17.2%)
Nanotech / grey goo: -2.000% 18 (1.1%)
Pandemic (natural): +0.100% 120 (7.6%)
Pandemic (bioengineered): +1.900% 355 (22.5%)
Environmental collapse (including global warming): +1.500% 252 (16.0%)
Economic / political collapse: -1.400% 136 (8.6%)
Other: 35 (2.217%)
Significantly more people worried about Nuclear War than last year. Effect of new respondents, or geopolitical situation? Who knows.
Charity And Effective Altruism
Charitable Giving
Income
What is your approximate annual income in US dollars (non-Americans: convert at www.xe.com)? Obviously you don't need to answer this question if you don't want to. Please don't include commas or dollar signs.
Sum: 66054140.47384
Mean: 64569.052271593355
Median: 40000.0
Mode: 30000.0
Stdev: 107297.53606321265
IncomeCharityPortion
How much money, in number of dollars, have you donated to charity over the past year? (non-Americans: convert to dollars at http://www.xe.com/ ). Please don't include commas or dollar signs in your answer. For example, 4000
Sum: 2389900.6530000004
Mean: 2914.5129914634144
Median: 353.0
Mode: 100.0
Stdev: 9471.962766896671
XriskCharity
How much money have you donated to charities aiming to reduce existential risk (other than MIRI/CFAR) in the past year?
Sum: 169300.89
Mean: 1991.7751764705883
Median: 200.0
Mode: 100.0
Stdev: 9219.941506342007
CharityDonations
How much have you donated in US dollars to the following charities in the past year? (Non-americans: convert to dollars at http://www.xe.com/) Please don't include commas or dollar signs in your answer. Options starting with "any" aren't the name of a charity but a category of charity.
| Question | Sum | Mean | Median | Mode | Stdev |
| Against Malaria Foundation | 483935.027 | 1905.256 | 300.0 | None | 7216.020 |
| Schistosomiasis Control Initiative | 47908.0 | 840.491 | 200.0 | 1000.0 | 1618.785 |
| Deworm the World Initiative | 28820.0 | 565.098 | 150.0 | 500.0 | 1432.712 |
| GiveDirectly | 154410.177 | 1429.723 | 450.0 | 50.0 | 3472.082 |
| Any kind of animal rights charity | 83130.47 | 1093.821 | 154.235 | 500.0 | 2313.493 |
| Any kind of bug rights charity | 1083.0 | 270.75 | 157.5 | None | 353.396 |
| Machine Intelligence Research Institute | 141792.5 | 1417.925 | 100.0 | 100.0 | 5370.485 |
| Any charity combating nuclear existential risk | 491.0 | 81.833 | 75.0 | 100.0 | 68.060 |
| Any charity combating global warming | 13012.0 | 245.509 | 100.0 | 10.0 | 365.542 |
| Center For Applied Rationality | 127101.0 | 3177.525 | 150.0 | 100.0 | 12969.096 |
| Strategies for Engineered Negligible Senescence Research Foundation | 9429.0 | 554.647 | 100.0 | 20.0 | 1156.431 |
| Wikipedia | 12765.5 | 53.189 | 20.0 | 10.0 | 126.444 |
| Internet Archive | 2975.04 | 80.406 | 30.0 | 50.0 | 173.791 |
| Any campaign for political office | 38443.99 | 366.133 | 50.0 | 50.0 | 1374.305 |
| Other | 564890.46 | 1661.442 | 200.0 | 100.0 | 4670.805 |
This table is interesting given the recent debates about how much money certain causes are 'taking up' in Effective Altruism.
Effective Altruism
Vegetarian
Do you follow any dietary restrictions related to animal products?
Yes, I am vegan: 54 (3.4%)
Yes, I am vegetarian: 158 (10.0%)
Yes, I restrict meat some other way (pescetarian, flexitarian, try to only eat ethically sourced meat): 375 (23.7%)
No: 996 (62.9%)
EAKnowledge
Do you know what Effective Altruism is?
Yes: 1562 (89.3%)
No but I've heard of it: 114 (6.5%)
No: 74 (4.2%)
EAIdentity
Do you self-identify as an Effective Altruist?
Yes: 665 (39.233%)
No: 1030 (60.767%)
The distribution given by the 2014 survey results does not sum to one, so it's difficult to determine if Effective Altruism's membership actually went up or not but if we take the numbers at face value it experienced an 11.13% increase in membership.
EACommunity
Do you participate in the Effective Altruism community?
Yes: 314 (18.427%)
No: 1390 (81.573%)
Same issue as last, taking the numbers at face value community participation went up by 5.727%
EADonations
Has Effective Altruism caused you to make donations you otherwise wouldn't?
Yes: 666 (39.269%)
No: 1030 (60.731%)
Wowza!
Effective Altruist Anxiety
EAAnxiety
Have you ever had any kind of moral anxiety over Effective Altruism?
Yes: 501 (29.6%)
Yes but only because I worry about everything: 184 (10.9%)
No: 1008 (59.5%)
There's an ongoing debate in Effective Altruism about what kind of rhetorical strategy is best for getting people on board and whether Effective Altruism is causing people significant moral anxiety.
It certainly appears to be. But is moral anxiety effective? Let's look:
Sample Size: 244
Average amount of money donated by people anxious about EA who aren't EAs: 257.5409836065574
Sample Size: 679
Average amount of money donated by people who aren't anxious about EA who aren't EAs: 479.7501384388807
Sample Size: 249 Average amount of money donated by EAs anxious about EA: 1841.5292369477913
Sample Size: 314
Average amount of money donated by EAs not anxious about EA: 1837.8248407643312
It seems fairly conclusive that anxiety is not a good way to get people to donate more than they already are, but is it a good way to get people to become Effective Altruists?
Sample Size: 1685
P(Effective Altruist): 0.3940652818991098
P(EA Anxiety): 0.29554896142433235
P(Effective Altruist | EA Anxiety): 0.5
Maybe. There is of course an argument to be made that sufficient good done by causing people anxiety outweighs feeding into peoples scrupulosity, but it can be discussed after I get through explaining it on the phone to wealthy PR-conscious donors and telling the local all-kill shelter where I want my shipment of dead kittens.
EAOpinion
What's your overall opinion of Effective Altruism?
Positive: 809 (47.6%)
Mostly Positive: 535 (31.5%)
No strong opinion: 258 (15.2%)
Mostly Negative: 75 (4.4%)
Negative: 24 (1.4%)
EA appears to be doing a pretty good job of getting people to like them.
Interesting Tables
| Affiliation | Income | Charity Contributions | % Income Donated To Charity | Total Survey Charity % | Sample Size |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Anarchist | 1677900.0 | 72386.0 | 4.314% | 3.004% | 50 |
| Communist | 298700.0 | 19190.0 | 6.425% | 0.796% | 13 |
| Conservative | 1963000.04 | 62945.04 | 3.207% | 2.612% | 38 |
| Futarchist | 1497494.1099999999 | 166254.0 | 11.102% | 6.899% | 31 |
| Left-Libertarian | 9681635.613839999 | 416084.0 | 4.298% | 17.266% | 245 |
| Libertarian | 11698523.0 | 214101.0 | 1.83% | 8.885% | 190 |
| Moderate | 3225475.0 | 90518.0 | 2.806% | 3.756% | 67 |
| Neoreactionary | 1383976.0 | 30890.0 | 2.232% | 1.282% | 28 |
| Objectivist | 399000.0 | 1310.0 | 0.328% | 0.054% | 10 |
| Other | 3150618.0 | 85272.0 | 2.707% | 3.539% | 132 |
| Pragmatist | 5087007.609999999 | 266836.0 | 5.245% | 11.073% | 131 |
| Progressive | 8455500.440000001 | 368742.78 | 4.361% | 15.302% | 217 |
| Social Democrat | 8000266.54 | 218052.5 | 2.726% | 9.049% | 237 |
| Socialist | 2621693.66 | 78484.0 | 2.994% | 3.257% | 126 |
| Community | Count | % In Community | Sample Size |
|---|---|---|---|
| LessWrong | 136 | 38.418% | 354 |
| LessWrong Meetups | 109 | 50.463% | 216 |
| LessWrong Facebook Group | 83 | 48.256% | 172 |
| LessWrong Slack | 22 | 39.286% | 56 |
| SlateStarCodex | 343 | 40.98% | 837 |
| Rationalist Tumblr | 175 | 49.716% | 352 |
| Rationalist Facebook | 89 | 58.94% | 151 |
| Rationalist Twitter | 24 | 40.0% | 60 |
| Effective Altruism Hub | 86 | 86.869% | 99 |
| Good Judgement(TM) Open | 23 | 74.194% | 31 |
| PredictionBook | 31 | 51.667% | 60 |
| Hacker News | 91 | 35.968% | 253 |
| #lesswrong on freenode | 19 | 24.675% | 77 |
| #slatestarcodex on freenode | 9 | 24.324% | 37 |
| #chapelperilous on freenode | 2 | 18.182% | 11 |
| /r/rational | 117 | 42.545% | 275 |
| /r/HPMOR | 110 | 47.414% | 232 |
| /r/SlateStarCodex | 93 | 37.959% | 245 |
| One or more private 'rationalist' groups | 91 | 47.15% | 193 |
| Affiliation | EA Income | EA Charity | Sample Size |
|---|---|---|---|
| Anarchist | 761000.0 | 57500.0 | 18 |
| Futarchist | 559850.0 | 114830.0 | 15 |
| Left-Libertarian | 5332856.0 | 361975.0 | 112 |
| Libertarian | 2725390.0 | 114732.0 | 53 |
| Moderate | 583247.0 | 56495.0 | 22 |
| Other | 1428978.0 | 69950.0 | 49 |
| Pragmatist | 1442211.0 | 43780.0 | 43 |
| Progressive | 4004097.0 | 304337.78 | 107 |
| Social Democrat | 3423487.45 | 149199.0 | 93 |
| Socialist | 678360.0 | 34751.0 | 41 |
The Global Catastrophic Risk Institute (GCRI) seeks a media engagement volunteer/intern
Volunteer/Intern Position: Media Engagement on Global Catastrophic Risk
http://gcrinstitute.org/volunteerintern-position-media-engagement-on-global-catastrophic-risk/
The Global Catastrophic Risk Institute (GCRI) seeks a volunteer/intern to contribute on the topic of media engagement on global catastrophic risk, which is the risk of events that could harm or destroy global human civilization. The work would include two parts: (1) analysis of existing media coverage of global catastrophic risk and (2) formulation of strategy for media engagement by GCRI and our colleagues. The intern may also have opportunities to get involved in other aspects of GCRI.
All aspects of global catastrophic risk would be covered. Emphasis would be placed on GCRI’s areas of focus, including nuclear war and artificial intelligence. Additional emphasis could be placed on topics of personal interest to the intern, potentially including (but not limited to) climate change, other global environmental threats, pandemics, biotechnology risks, asteroid collision, etc.
The ideal candidate is a student or early-career professional seeking a career at the intersection of global catastrophic risk and the media. Career directions could include journalism, public relations, advertising, or academic research in related social science disciplines. Candidates seeking other career directions would also be considered, especially if they see value in media experience. However, we have a strong preference for candidates intending a career on global catastrophic risk.
The position is unpaid. The intern would receive opportunities for professional development, networking, and publication. GCRI is keen to see the intern benefit professionally from this position and will work with the intern to ensure that this happens. This is not a menial labor activity, but instead is one that offers many opportunities for enrichment.
A commitment of at least 10 hours per month is expected. Preference will be given to candidates able to make a larger time commitment. The position will begin during August-September 2016. The position will run for three months and may be extended pending satisfactory performance.
The position has no geographic constraint. The intern can work from anywhere in the world. GCRI has some preference for candidates from American time zones, but we regularly work with people from around the world. GCRI cannot provide any relocation assistance.
Candidates from underrepresented demographic groups are especially encouraged to apply.
Applications will be considered on an ongoing basis until 30 September, 2016.
To apply, please send the following to Robert de Neufville (robert [at] gcrinstitute.org):
* A cover letter introducing yourself and explaining your interest in the position. Please include a description of your intended career direction and how it would benefit from media experience on global catastrophic risk. Please also describe the time commitment you would be able to make.
* A resume or curriculum vitae.
* A writing sample (optional).
Neutralizing Physical Annoyances
Once in a while, I learn something about a seemingly unrelated topic - such as freediving - and I take away some trick that is well known and "obvious" in that topic, but is generally useful and NOT known by many people outside. Case in point, you can use equalization techniques from diving to remove pressure in your ears when you descend in a plane or a fast lift. I also give some other examples.
Ears
Reading about a few equalization techniques took me maybe 5 minutes, and after reading this passage once I was able to successfully use the "Frenzel Maneuver":
The technique is to close off the vocal cords, as though you are about to lift a heavy weight. The nostrils are pinched closed and an effort is made to make a 'k' or a 'guh' sound. By doing this you raise the back of the tongue and the 'Adam's Apple' will elevate. This turns the tongue into a piston, pushing air up.
(source: http://freedivingexplained.blogspot.com.mt/2008/03/basics-of-freediving-equalization.html)
Hiccups
A few years ago, I started regularly doing deep relaxations after yoga. At some point, I learned how to relax my throat in such a way that the air can freely escape from the stomach. Since then, whenever I start hiccuping, I relax my throat and the hiccups stop immediately in all cases. I am now 100% hiccup-free.
Stiff Shoulders
I've spent a few hours with a friend who is doing massage, and they taught me some basics. After that, it became natural for me to self-massage my shoulders after I do a lot of sitting work etc. I can't imagine living without this anymore.
Other?
If you know more, please share!
[Link] My Interview with Dilbert creator Scott Adams
In the second half of the interview we discussed several topics of importance to the LW community including cryonics, unfriendly AI, and eliminating mosquitoes.
https://soundcloud.com/user-519115521/scott-adams-dilbert-interview
The progressive case for replacing the welfare state with basic income
I really like this argument for UBI, it looks at the real problems on the front lines of current problems with existing programs.
Something has to be done about this, none of those manufacturing, or managerial jobs are coming back, and the minimum wage increase movement is going to really hammer youth and the un-skilled. Those are the easiest to radicalize, and once they get really angry, things could get ugly very quickly.
"because they aren’t publicly acknowledging just how poorly our present means-tested programs are targeted by virtue of their applied conditions, and just how unequal one dollar can be to one dollar, however counterintuitive that may seem."
"The fact is that cash welfare, as it exists today, is not given to the overwhelming majority of those living in poverty who need it."
https://techcrunch.com/2016/09/09/the-progressive-case-for-replacing-the-welfare-state-with-basic-income/
Stupid Questions September 2016
This thread is for asking any questions that might seem obvious, tangential, silly or what-have-you. Don't be shy, everyone has holes in their knowledge, though the fewer and the smaller we can make them, the better.
Please be respectful of other people's admitting ignorance and don't mock them for it, as they're doing a noble thing.
To any future monthly posters of SQ threads, please remember to add the "stupid_questions" tag.
Open Thread, Sept 5. - Sept 11. 2016
If it's worth saying, but not worth its own post, then it goes here.
Notes for future OT posters:
1. Please add the 'open_thread' tag.
2. Check if there is an active Open Thread before posting a new one. (Immediately before; refresh the list-of-threads page before posting.)
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The 12 Second Rule (i.e. think before answering) and other Epistemic Norms
Epistemic Status/Effort: I'm 85% confident this is a good idea, and that the broader idea is at least a good direction. Have gotten feedback from a few people and spend some time actively thinking through ramifications of it. Interested in more feedback.
TLDR:
1) When asking a group a question, i.e. "what do you think about X?", ask people to wait 12 seconds, to give each other time to think. If you notice someone else ask a question and people immediately answering, suggest people pause the conversation until people have had some time to think. (Probably specific mention "12 second rule" to give people a handy tag to remember)
2) In general, look for opportunities to improve or share social norms that'll help your community think more clearly, and show appreciation when others do so (i.e. "Epistemic Norms")
(this was originally conceived for the self-described "rationality" community, but I think is a good idea any group that'd like to improve their critical thinking as well as creativity.)
There are three reasons the 12-second rule seems important to me:
- On an individual level, it makes it easier to think of the best answer, rather than going with your cached thought.
- On the group level, it makes it easier to prevent anchoring/conformity/priming effects.
- Also on the group level, it means that people take longer to think of answers get to practice actually thinking for themselves
I said "hey, shouldn't we stop to each think first?" (this happens to be a thing my friends in NYC do). And I was somewhat surprised that the response was more like "oh, I guess that's a good idea" than "oh yeah whoops I forgot."
It seemed like a fairly obvious social norm for a community that prides itself on rationality, and while the question wasn't *super* important, I think its helpful to practice this sort of social norm on a day-to-day basis.
This prompted some broader questions - it occurred to me there were likely norms and ideas other people had developed in their local networks that I probably wasn't aware of. Given that there's no central authority on "good epistemic norms", how do we develop them and get them to spread? There's a couple people with popular blogs who sometimes propose new norms which maybe catch on, and some people still sharing good ideas on Less Wrong, effective-altruism.com, or facebook. But it doesn't seem like those ideas necessarily reach saturation.
Atrophied Skills
The first three years I spent in the rationality community, my perception is that my strategic thinking and ability to think through complex problems actually *deteriorated*. It's possible that I was just surrounded by smarter people than me for the first time, but I'm fairly confident that I specifically acquired the habit of "when I need help thinking through a problem, the first step is not to think about it myself, but to ask smart people around me for help."
Eventually I was hired by a startup, and I found myself in a position where the default course for the company was to leave some important value on the table. (I was working in an EA-adjaecent company, and wanted to push it in a more Effective Altruism-y direction with higher rigor). There was nobody else I could turn to for help. I had to think through what "better epistemic rigor" actually meant and how to apply it in this situation.
Whether or not my rationality had atrophied in the past 3 years, I'm certain that for the first time in long while, certain mental muscles *flexed* that I hadn't been using. Ultimately I don't know whether my ideas had a noteworthy effect on the company, but I do know that I felt more empowered and excited to improve my own rationality.
I realized that, in the NYC meetups, quicker-thinking people tended to say what they thought immediately when a question was asked, and this meant that most of the people in the meetup didn't get to practice thinking through complex questions. So I started asking people to wait for a while before answering - sometimes 5 minutes, sometimes just a few seconds.
"12 seconds" seems like a nice rule-of-thumb to avoid completely interrupting the flow of conversation, while still having some time to reflect, and make sure you're not just shouting out a cached thought. It's a non-standard number which is hopefully easier to remember.
(That said, a more nuanced alternative is "everyone takes a moment to think until they feel like they're hitting diminishing returns on thinking or it's not worth further halting the conversation, and then raising a finger to indicate that they're done")
Meta Point: Observation, Improvement and Sharing
The 12-second rule isn't the main point though - just one of many ways this community could do a better job of helping both newcomers and old-timers hone their thinking skills. "Rationality" is supposed to be our thing. I think we should all be on the lookout for opportunities to improve our collective ability to think clearly.
I think specific conversational habits are helpful both for their concrete, immediate benefits, as well as an opportunity to remind everyone (newcomers and old-timers alike) that we're trying to actively improve in this area.
I have more thoughts on how to go about improving the meta-issues here, which I'm less confident and will flesh out in future posts.
My Strange Beliefs
Yesterday, "Overcoming Cryonics" wrote:
Eliezer, enough with your nonsense about cryonicism, life-extensionism, trans-humanism, and the singularity. These things have nothing to do with overcoming bias... if you're going to enforce the comments policy then you should also self-enforce the overcoming bias posting policy instead of using posts to blithely proselytize your cryonicism / life-extensionism / trans-humanism / singularity religion.
One, there is nothing in the Overcoming Bias posting policy against transhumanism.
Two, as a matter of fact, I do try to avoid proselytizing here. I have other forums in which to vent my thoughts on transhumanism. When I write a blog post proselytizing transhumanism, it looks like this, this, or this.
But it's hard for me to avoid all references to transhumanism. "Overcoming Cryonics" commented to a post in which there was exactly one reference to a transhumanist topic. I had said:
The first time I gave a presentation - the first time I ever climbed onto a stage in front of a couple of hundred people to talk about the Singularity - I briefly thought to myself: "I bet most people would be experiencing 'stage fright' about now. But that wouldn't be helpful, so I'm not going to go there.
What, exactly, am I supposed to do about that? The first time I ever got up on stage, I was in fact talking about the Singularity! That's the actual history! Transhumanism is not a hobby for me, it's my paid day job as a Research Fellow of the Singularity Institute. Asking me to avoid all mentions of transhumanism is like asking Robin Hanson to avoid all mentions of academia.
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