Comment author: Gray 11 May 2011 01:43:53AM 2 points [-]

Great post. With respect to your final statement, I was wondering if using the results of your research to contribute to Wikipedia isn't the obvious thing to do? Not speaking to you specifically, lukeprog, but concerning the general topic.

Also, it would be interesting if your post here inspires other people here to also pursue similar research enterprises, which makes me think that this will involve a lot of duplicated effort. This is against efficiency, which makes me wonder if there's a good place for people to correspond when they are involved in similar research topics. But then I think the answer to this is also Wikipedia.

Comment author: BrandonReinhart 10 May 2011 02:48:27AM *  0 points [-]

Here is another question, regarding the basic methdology of study. When you are reading a scholastic work and you encounter an unfamiliar concept, do you stop to identify the concept or continue but add the concept to a list to be pursued later? In other words, do you queue the concept for later inspection or do you 'step into' the concept for immediate inspection?

I expect the answer to be conditional, but knowing what conditions is useful. I find myself sometimes falling down the rabbit hole of chasing chained concepts. Wikipedia makes this mistake easy.

Comment author: Gray 11 May 2011 01:26:59AM 0 points [-]

Adding to the tangent, in my opinion, the concepts of scholastic philosophy are actually incredibly useful for rationality in general. They usually end up being logic terms, and they are employed well outside of their concept even in modern works. A lot of times, for example, when you read an argument and understand there is something wrong with the argument, but have a hard time putting your finger on what is wrong with the argument, there's typically some scholastic term that will nail it for you. The scholastics were incredibly subtle, and are typically the ones ridiculed when the expression "splitting hairs" comes to fore. But usually that ridicule is made by people who aren't subtle, and don't realize that the distinctions are incredibly important.

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Comment author: knb 04 May 2011 08:44:55AM 1 point [-]

I live in Philadelphia now, but I'm a former Toledoan (hopefully also a future Toledoan, if my career permits). I used Toledo area craigslist with some success. Another possibility would be attending public lectures at UT or BGSU. You could even enroll in classes if time and money permit.

There also seem to a fair number of Ann Arbor Less Wrongians. If you don't mind the drive, you could try to coordinate a meetup with them.

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Comment author: Gray 06 May 2011 06:26:48AM -1 points [-]

Thank you.

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Comment author: wilkox 05 May 2011 09:13:56AM *  6 points [-]

This bothered me too. If 'omnipotent' is defined as 'able to do things which can be done', we're all gods.

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Comment author: Gray 05 May 2011 03:55:25PM 2 points [-]

Not really. Something "can be done" if some possible being, which may not be actual, can perform it. If there's a 500 pound barbell in front of me, and I can't lift it, this doesn't mean that the barbell can't be lifted, only that I can't lift it. If you're omnipotent, then you can lift it.

I guess I've always understood omnipotence as being so powerful that no possible being can be more powerful than you are.

Comment author: arundelo 03 May 2011 02:50:17AM 2 points [-]

For several years I was working entry-level jobs (retail; telephone tech support) and living by myself. The "trick" was that I shopped around for a place with low rent. (This may be harder where you live. I'm in a suburb of Detroit, Michigan.)

Right now I'm a computer programmer, despite not having any degree.

Good luck (and sorry about your grandfather).

Comment author: Gray 03 May 2011 03:22:08PM 0 points [-]

Yep, that's what I'm looking for doing at the moment. There are places around here for around $400/month; but first I'm trying to find a place with a somewhat higher wage.

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Comment author: glunkthunker 02 May 2011 10:33:10PM 10 points [-]

I'm probably in the minority with this opinion, but I think for non-homeschooled people (and especially the male kind), taking time off between high school and college can be a really good idea. It can be a period of discovering the self. Rediscover the love of learning. Mature socially. Do. Be.

I did such a thing (took time off in the middle) and found that even the meager 3 years in age between me and my fellow classmates made a huge difference. My ability to really think and focus was miles what it was before I took a break. I was also less affected by social pressures. Before my break I went to classes reluctantly when I went at all. Afterwards, I really really wanted to be there. What professor wouldn't prefer the latter student?

Many people are not ready for college right away--and it could be argued that this is more the case for the exceptionally bright. The education industry can be an unforgiving factory-like process. And, of course, there are people that do quite well without prolonged schooling at all.

I realized that I could lose a lot by not making the effort of trying to reach out and meet people.

post upvoted for this initiative.

Comment author: Gray 03 May 2011 01:18:36AM 2 points [-]

Thanks for your reply, and I think right now I would be a much better student than I was eight years ago, when I was twenty. Either I'll go back to college or, if I can't manage the funding, I'll try a more disciplined self-study approach. Not giving up.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 May 2011 12:55:21AM *  5 points [-]

I've had terrifically good luck making friends on OKC. Of course, my definition of luck in this case is five or so really good friends (or potentially really good friends) that live really, really far away... after writing to 100+ people.

I know this sounds sarcastic, but it was totally, TOTALLY worth the effort.

...though these friendships aren't or wouldn't be entirely romance-free. I don't personally see the need to compartmentalize friendship and romance, or friendship and sex. The lines can and do blur.

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Comment author: Gray 03 May 2011 01:17:13AM 0 points [-]

I guess I never tried this. It would be weird though. How do I message another guy, for instance, without that guy thinking that I'm hitting on him?

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Comment author: anonynamja 02 May 2011 05:53:56PM 4 points [-]

I don't think you need to limit yourself to the LW community. I'm fairly certain that you can relate to a lot of other people. Start checking out meetup.com for local groups near you that sound interesting, and make some friends. I don't know how grown ups make friends, though.

Comment author: Gray 02 May 2011 08:16:09PM -2 points [-]

Yeah, I've checked out meetup.com before. Good idea, by the way, there is an atheist group near here, but their activity seems to have died off, and there only seems to be a few people who are active. But this is a good reminder to look into it further.

Just to give you an idea of what I'm dealing with, however, one of the most active groups local around here seems to be the Tea Party Patriots.

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Comment author: Swimmy 02 May 2011 05:52:00PM *  3 points [-]

I met my fiancée through OKCupid, but it just so happened that she was big into science; that's not why I messaged her. The site isn't exactly taylored to finding people with similar views as yours, but it will get you a head start on whom to ask the right questions. It will, for instance, not generally try to match you with religious people if you say that you're not into that.

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Comment author: Gray 02 May 2011 08:14:03PM -1 points [-]

I'm already on OKCupid, and I have been messaging someone on there. But I was more interested in looking for friends or even just intellectually interesting acquaintances. Doesn't have to be single or of the opposite sex :)

Comment author: CronoDAS 02 May 2011 05:35:46AM *  12 points [-]

It turned out I just didn't like being a kid. I simply had nothing else to compare it to until I attained and got to try out being an adult. (Which is awesome.)

Hasn't worked out very well for me... maybe I just still haven't managed to achieve adulthood in spite of having lived for 28 years? (I'm still dependent on my parents for food and shelter and feel limited in my ability to refuse demands they make of me.)

Comment author: Gray 02 May 2011 05:45:31PM 3 points [-]

I'm the same age, and in a similar situation to you. I'm not self-reliant yet, but I'm living in my grandfather's house who recently passed away, so now I'm going through the transition process of living on my own. My problem is trying to find a job and an apartment where I can sustain myself. This seems to be impossible without a college degree.

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