Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 06 September 2016 08:04:04AM 2 points [-]

Our local downvoter doesn't seem to have noticed that it doesn't have any effect on what is read or commented on as karma restrictions on posting also seem to have been lifted.

Comment author: Houshalter 06 September 2016 12:51:15AM 3 points [-]

Yes it's a statistical prediction. The 90% confidence interval will be correct for 90% of people who use this method. 10% will be wrong. Apriori you are 9 times more likely to be in the first group than in the second.

Once you start creating more and more variants of the the same pattern (double DA, other time frames) you don't really make the probability worse, you are doing p-hacking.

I don't see this as an alternative variant to fudge the numbers. To me this seems to be the correct way to do the calculation. This makes the above argument correct, that 90% of people that use this argument will be correct.

Whereas the original version assumes you are randomly given human, which is obviously incorrect. As most humans would not be born at a time where this kind of statistical knowledge exists. Just the fact that you ask the doomsday argument, shows there is something special about you, and puts you into a different reference class.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 06 September 2016 06:30:57AM 0 points [-]

Just the fact that you ask the doomsday argument, shows there is something special about you, and puts you into a different reference class.

Why?

Comment author: Houshalter 05 September 2016 09:15:44AM 4 points [-]

I wrote a thing that turned out to be too long for a comment: The Doomsday Argument is even Worse than Thought

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 05 September 2016 08:29:07PM *  2 points [-]

The argument a) depends on you being a random observer and b) makes only a statistical prediction. If you are one of those early or late observers you will come to the wrong conclusions. Probability doesn't help you at that point at all.

Also: Once you start creating more and more variants of the the same pattern (double DA, other time frames) you don't really make the probability worse, you are doing p-hacking. That doesn't change reality and you can't reliably learn anything about reality.

I might be in a simulation and such checks might change my prior for it but it is quite low anyway. Like so many other strange and newfangled ways reality could be like theistic.

Comment author: entirelyuseless 30 August 2016 03:36:50AM 0 points [-]

It is always surprising to me that people get into car accidents as rarely as they do. I would have expected people to get into fatal accidents every six months of commuting or so.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 30 August 2016 08:00:45PM 0 points [-]

fatal accidents every doesn't make sense in combination, doesn't it? :-))

But yes, that kind of feeling.

In response to The call of the void
Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 29 August 2016 09:57:34PM 0 points [-]

I have experienced this. But not like an urge but rather as a feeling of surprise how little it takes to die (or at least horrible accident) and how little it actually happens. An appreciation how amazing reliable we humans are.

In response to The call of the void
Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 28 August 2016 04:30:39PM 0 points [-]

Poll! Poll!

How often did you have any of the experiences in the first paragraph. E.g.

When you are holding a kitchen knife thinking, "I wonder if this is sharp enough to cut myself with".

Submitting...

Comment author: ChristianKl 21 August 2016 03:17:17PM 1 point [-]

It's basically what I meant above, but above I didn't put in the details. As a nerd myself that's a more instinctive response than actually speaking up and asserting boundaries. But I'm fairly certain that asserting boundaries is often the more effective action.

I also think that this lack of this assertion of boundaries is what makes Nice Guys™ unattractive. Woman like guys who are nice in the sense that they give others compliements and improve their surroundings but they find guys who don't assert boundaries in situations that warrant setting boundaries less attractive.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 21 August 2016 08:00:12PM 1 point [-]

OK. Tapping out.

Comment author: ChristianKl 20 August 2016 04:08:43PM *  0 points [-]

This seems to point to very different understand of what a tact filter is. I read your sentence as implying that it is an on/off thing.

If my girlfriend does something says something not nice, I can mentally say : "Hey, she's emotional at the moment but that doesn't mean that she means any harm to me. It's hormones. Let's sit through it." I can do that from a place of compassion without feeling too bad about the interaction.

Alternatively I can connect with the feeling of irritation that arises and assert a boundary. If there a filter there no clear feeling of irritation from which to speak.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 20 August 2016 08:23:01PM 0 points [-]

I can do that from a place of compassion without feeling too bad about the interaction.

That is a filter as I understand it. A good one maybe, but a filter.

Comment author: ChristianKl 20 August 2016 10:18:15AM 2 points [-]

I don't think the goal is just having a relationship. We also care to some extend about quality. I think the filter reduces relationship quality.

There were times when a girlfriend of me was emotional as a result treated me in a way that she herself doesn't consider nice. There are two possible responses: (A) I say "Stop, don't treat me this way" (B) I use a tact filter and simply ignore the fact that she's emotional and doesn't treat me well

If I do (B) she's afterwards guilty about having been a person who treated me badly. If I do (A) she spends less time acting in a way for which she afterwards judges herself. (A) is also behavior that creates attraction.

I think that it makes sense to work towards being the kind of person who does (A).

Independent of my own experiences I'd hazard a guess that needing alone time, preferring being alone and perceiving social interaction as draining are all highly correlated.

Personality tests are supposed measure traits that aren't skills. I think it's possible to be both good at feeling good alone and feeling good with other people. It's possible to be bad at both of them. I don't believe in the just-world-hypothesis that people who don't enjoy one automatically enjoy the other. (I use the word "enjoy" vaguely to point in a direction)

I don't think that personality test tell you about tradeoff. They are not designed for that purpose.

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 20 August 2016 01:37:09PM 0 points [-]

I use a tact filter and simply ignore the fact that she's emotional and doesn't treat me well

This seems to point to very different understand of what a tact filter is. I read your sentence as implying that it is an on/off thing. Either information/feelings are let through or not. For me the filter is a more differentiated 'device' that e.g. (case outgoing) tones down the intensity or adds compassion or otherwise tries to adapt the message to the receiver - mostly to reduce the emotional impact. Or the incoming case may e.g. interpret messages as exactly lacking these things or information about the sender instead of about the receiver.

I don't think that personality test tell you about tradeoff. They are not designed for that purpose.

At least the Big Five tests are lexical and thus neither measuring traits nor skills but just adjectives that people use to describe other people. Adjectives that I have to assume are used to describe skills as well as traits (which I'm willing to read to include skills anyway) and other things, history and social. The Wikipedia page lists lots of these. Anyway my guess stands and we can just wait for evidence coming in ;-)

Comment author: ChristianKl 18 August 2016 07:43:44PM 0 points [-]

But I didn't become introvert by retreating. I was introvert to begin with. I always had my own interests and time and support in following them.

The definition of introvert I used above isn't about spending time alone but about being drained by social interaction. Did you felt drained by social interaction at the time?

Comment author: Gunnar_Zarncke 18 August 2016 09:01:27PM 0 points [-]

I do not have detailed memories about how draining it felt when I was young.

But as long as I do remember I have been drained by prolonged social interaction. I often retreat at least a bit. It happens automatically. Even if I enjoy the action.

Independent of my own experiences I'd hazard a guess that needing alone time, preferring being alone and perceiving social interaction as draining are all highly correlated. They have to because they are lumped together by PCA into introversion (at least by Big Five).

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