I think I'm just going to go read this thing in order and ignore any responses to my comments for a bit...

That sounds like an inefficient use of your time (also note that the conversation spans several posts).

This isn't even an interesting thread relative to other flame wars we've had!

In the interest of full disclosure, I read the majority of this exchange in unordered chunks from the Recent Comments and mostly-backwards by going up context levels and trying to figure it out.

I can see why reading in that order/style would leave you just shooting Silas. :)

Here's a question though... who would you have tazed first?

Chronologically Luke. He was insane way back when the claims were first made/not defended and Silas hadn't gone insane yet. If I were to enter the room now after observing from outside I would shoot Silas first, pointedly shoot Luke as well and give everyone else in the room a stern look. Then I'd confiscate your tazer and turn in my confessors hood myself. Because I don't want that kind of responsibility.

I'd keep the tazers. Because I have yet to meet anyone who I would trust to confessor at me, even though there are those whose advice I value. I would always take care to position myself with my back to the wall such that I could see the movements of any confessors and rely on my reflexes and laser tag prowess to protect me from any nosy interventionists. If necessary I'd take them all out in a massive confessor tazing spree.

If I was a Confessor I would have tazed you by now.

I would have tazed you in turn. Not because you tazed Silas - I'd have done that too for his own sake. Rather, I'd have tazed you for the reasons you gave. You are observing two people bitching at each other each with their own (vastly different) kind of insanity and siding with the one with the most status and whose insane bitching is the most skilled (and socially typical). You are tazing the unsophisticated, lower status insane bitcher.

The evidence given suggests you are well suited to be a player in the social environment but not a confessor. In the future, when it matters, you can be expected to act as a social enforcer and not as a last bastion of sanity.

If I were a Confessor I would have tazed you by now.

That's probably why Confessors don't exist. We're not ready from them; we haven't grown up enough to cope with even a single, tiny dissenting voice without resorting to threats of counterfactual violence.

Calling someone on phony excuses is "trolling"? (That's the only reason the recent thread has stretched out so far.)

Next time, I guess I should shut up when Luke makes an(other) implausible claim?

Luke,

I appreciate your efforts to decode this 'Olympus mentality' nonsense, and in general to make sure you're not making communication errors. But at this point I believe you're just wasting your time. You've documented your research methods better than I've ever seen someone do, and they certainly don't need defending here.

On behalf of those who believe your work can positively impact the future of humanity and your time can be better spent elsewhere, I humbly request that you please file what you've been responding to under 'trolling' and move on.

I have occasional fantasies of men and enjoy some varieties of shounen-ai/yaoi, but I'm almost never attracted to men in real life, though there have been a couple of exceptions. I can never figure out if I should call myself straight or bi, though straight is probably closer to the mark.

Heteroflexible?

I platonically snuggle with some of my male friends too. And I have photographic evidence of some guys I know who are not dating each other snuggling, too.

I guess I don't know how typical it is. I don't know many normal people and suspect they're dull.

"It's not the crime, it's the coverup."

If Luke wants to say he just ignored comments when he trumpeted the success (like a good Olympian) -- fine.

If he wants to invent stories about how seeing my request would have required "spending all day re-checking the comment threads on old LW posts" or how it would have been difficult see my comment in the massive thicket of 3 threads with mine at the top, etc etc etc -- then he's making things up, which is not fine.

Yes, I can think of someone who warranted a Confessor zapping.

Even now, there are only 3 threads on your mini-camp result announcement topic, and mine is at the top, 16 comments in total. 90% of the discussion is about the request for evidence. No need to "zoom in" on anything, nor re-check frequently. Please, stop trying to come up with stories to account for not having seen it; it's obvious you just never came back.

And really, it's not some kind of mortal sin or anything -- I don't see why you're goint to such lengths to justify it.