Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 01 April 2011 09:03:18PM 0 points [-]

Thanks.

Comment author: James_K 02 April 2011 02:43:54AM 1 point [-]

Happy to help, I like to contribute my economics knowledge to the group when its germane.

Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 01 April 2011 01:30:47AM *  3 points [-]

Your comment reduces my confidence that I understand the term "externality". Until I read it, I tentatively believed that "X has positive externalities" means that X is an action taken voluntarily by a person (or firm) and has positive expected global utility. Most economic discourse assumes that all voluntary actions taken by a person (firm) have positive expected personal (organizational) utility. But in the present environment, counterfeiting money has according to my models negative global expected utility by reducing (by a small amount) the value of every asset denominated in the currency being counterfeited (e.g., cash and loans). (Counterfeiting is a member of the class or set of a diffuse harms, which by the way do not seem to get the attention they deserve here on Less Wrong.)

(Buying junk I do not want has negative global expected utility, too, under my models.)

Comment author: James_K 01 April 2011 08:24:45PM 4 points [-]

The textbook definition of "externality" is where some activity has an effect (whether positive or negative) on people who are neither party to that activity, nor in a contractual relationship with those people.

So, creating a meetup group that other people will enjoy has a positive externality, but note if SilasBarta had been hired by those people to create that group there would be no externality (unless it also benefited some people who hadn't hired him).

As for the reference to counterfeiting, that I believe is (based on previous discussions with SilasBarta) a sly reference to Keynesian economics, and you should probably leave it to one side if you're still trying to get your head around externalities.

Comment author: BillyOblivion 08 March 2011 08:20:56AM 3 points [-]

Depends.

If the potential perfidy of humans is not counted for in your solution, then it's a fail.

Humans lie, cheat, and steal. Especially when the system is policy is designed to encourage that behavior.

Comment author: James_K 09 March 2011 04:03:32AM 4 points [-]

Yes, blaming the failure on self-serving behaviour is futile, but its imperative that you account for people's tendency to do this when you design a system.

Comment author: Alexandros 02 March 2011 11:15:08AM *  32 points [-]

Don't hate the playa, hate the game

-- Ice-T

Or, as the Urban Dictionary puts it:

Do not fault the successful participant in a flawed system; try instead to discern and rebuke that aspect of its organization which allows or encourages the behavior that has provoked your displeasure.

A meta-comment: It's always good to have an arsenal of mainstream-accessible quotes to use for those times when explaining game theory is just loo much of an inferential leap. I'd like to find more of these.

Comment author: James_K 03 March 2011 04:22:21AM 11 points [-]

I think this quote is especially apposite when your looking at ways of reforming a system. Attributing bad policy outcomes to the perfidy of individuals is generally unhelpful in designing a solution.

Comment author: Vladimir_M 17 February 2011 05:11:59AM *  6 points [-]

James,

Nice of you to drop by and comment -- I still remember that really interesting discussion about price indexes we had a few months ago!

One thing I find curious in economics is that basically anything studied under that moniker is considered to belong to a single discipline, and economists of all sorts apparently recognize each other as professional colleagues (even when they bitterly attack each other in ideological disputes). This despite the fact that the intellectual standards in various subfields of economics are of enormously different quality, ranging from very solid to downright pseudoscientific. And while I occasionally see economists questioning the soundness of their discipline, it's always formulated as questioning the soundness of economics in general, instead of a more specific and realistic observation that micro is pretty solid as long as one knows and respects the limitations of one's models, whereas macro is basically just pseudoscience.

Is the tendency for professional solidarity really that strong, or am I perhaps misperceiving this situation as an outsider?

Comment author: James_K 18 February 2011 03:41:12AM 2 points [-]

It may have more to do with compartmentalisation than anything else. Economists focus their attention on their own sub-disciplines, so the micro guys don't pay much attention to what the macro guys are doing. I'm not sure that's especially unusual in any intellectual discipline though.

Secondly, macro is what most people think of when they think of economics. So laypeople talk about the failings of economics when they're really talking about fairly small parts of the discipline in the grand scheme of things.

As to why economists don't pick up on this more often, I'm not really sure. Part of it is that debates on the epistemological merits of different methodologies don't really get a lot of play among the general public for some reason.

Comment author: James_K 16 February 2011 07:17:51PM 11 points [-]

As an economist myself (though a microeconomist) I share some of your concerns about macroeconomics. The way support and opposition for the US's recent stimulus broke down along ideological lines was wholly depressing.

I think the problem for macro is that they have almost no data to work with. You can't run a controlled experiment on a whole country and countries tend to be very different from each other which means there are a lot of confounding factors to deal with. And without much evidence, how could they hope to generate accurate beliefs?

Add to that the raw complexity of what economists study. The human brain the most complex object known to exist and the the global economy is about 7 billion of them interacting with each other.

None of this is meant to absolve macroeconomics, it may just be that meaningful study in this area just isn't possible. Macro has made some gains, there's a list of things that don't work in development economics and stabilisation policy is better than it was in the 1970s. But apart from that? Not much.

Comment author: hewhocutsdown 08 February 2011 01:20:13PM 2 points [-]

Left vs. Right still tends to take two tries.

Comment author: James_K 09 February 2011 05:51:12AM 1 point [-]

I deal with this by wearing a watch. I always wear a watch on my left hand. Whenever I have to work out whether I'm talking about my left or my right I stop and sense the extra weight. The wrist with a slight weight on it is my left.

Comment author: [deleted] 03 January 2011 05:15:40AM *  0 points [-]

It's not climate science, it's mathematics. The probability of a specific number being the highest in a sequence goes down rapidly as the number of items increases. And it's not like the temperature is doubling every year, either.

In response to comment by [deleted] on New Year's Predictions Thread (2011)
Comment author: James_K 03 January 2011 07:46:02PM 6 points [-]

That's only true for a stationary series, which temperature isn't. For a random walk series you can have a 50% chance of each new observation being the highest ever in the series. For a trended series it can be higher than 50%.

Comment author: hairyfigment 24 November 2010 12:09:43AM 2 points [-]

I believe Harry considers some punishments completely out of bounds, too severe for anyone. Certainly I do. The following may have no connection to the real reasons for this; but even without Many-Worlds you have a non-zero probability of personally suffering any possible punishment. Legally allowing a given punishment for anyone seems to produce a non-zero increase in this probability (even in a world without Polyjuice). Some possible punishments may have such negative utility for you that a course of action which avoids such increases, but which almost certainly leads to your death, would still have positive utility. Azkaban seems like a good candidate for such a punishment.

Comment author: James_K 25 November 2010 05:20:44PM 2 points [-]

Furthermore even if one is a pure consequentialist, there may be a case for acting like a deontologist in some cases. While a perfectly rational entity can properly weight costs and benefits, people can't. Chances are if a person's moral code says "it's a good idea to subject some people to mind rape for decades" that person has made a mistake, and one should account for that.

Comment author: Nornagest 15 November 2010 05:48:25PM 3 points [-]

I've found that theft, when it comes to worldbuilding, is cheaper and more effective than making things up wholesale. Or at least less prone to producing apostrophe stew.

Comment author: James_K 16 November 2010 04:32:57AM 4 points [-]

And you had the good taste to steal something that doesn't get stolen all that often.

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