Comment author: bryjnar 01 May 2012 10:30:10AM 1 point [-]

Consequentialism (usually) has a slightly richer vocabulary than just "This is the right act": there's usually a notion of degree. That is, rather than having an ordinal ranking of actions, you get a cardinal ranking. So action A could be twice as good as action B. The translation you've proposed collapses this. I'm not sure how big a problem that is, though.

Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 02 May 2012 12:31:26PM 0 points [-]

For some reason I've never understood consequentialist philosophers also often/usually collapse that cardinal ranking into the right (usualy one) action and all the other wrong actions, see this. Presumably they wouldn't worry too much about this problem.

Comment author: C9AEA3E1 01 May 2012 11:58:54AM 3 points [-]

To the best of my knowledge, there is nothing quite like SIAI or lesswrong in continental western Europe. People aren't into AI as much as in the US, and if there's rationality thinking being done, it's mostly traditional rationality, skepticism, etc.

Atheism can score high in many countries, as a rule of thumb countries to the north are more atheistic, those to the south (Spain, Portugal, Italy, etc.) are more religious.

There are a few scattered transhumanist as well as a few life-extension organizations, which are loosely starting to cooperate together.

The European commission itself started prioritizing small-scale healthy life extension a year or two ago. This could help focus more people on such questions in the years to come.

Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 02 May 2012 12:24:37PM 0 points [-]

In the scandinavian countries SIAI-style thinking seems at least as common to me as in the US (eg comparing Sweden to New York, which I believe is of similar size).

Comment author: JoshuaZ 02 May 2012 12:44:22AM 0 points [-]

This assumes a large genetic aspect of being "weird".

Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 02 May 2012 12:19:20PM 3 points [-]

Not unreasonable. Eg personality traits like openness have a decent heritability and are closely related to weirdness.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 30 April 2012 10:50:14PM 14 points [-]

Americans being more willing to be weird could explain both rationality as a project and religiosity.

Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 02 May 2012 12:15:46PM 1 point [-]

"Weirdness" is closely related to a high score in the psychological trait openness in the big5.

According to this meta-analysis the correlations between religiosity and openness are somewhat mixed:

"while Openness is negatively related to religious fundamentalism (weighted mean r=−0.14, P<0.01) and, to some extent, intrinsic-general religiosity (r=−0.06, P<0.01), it is positively related to measures of open or mature religiosity and spirituality (r=0.22, P<0.0001)."

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 26 April 2012 08:37:07PM 2 points [-]

What ideas or knowledge do you have for optimizing your social network and sqeezing it for all it's worth?

Is this really the best attitude to take? I tend to think that friends you can tell anything to, and who can tell anything to you, are the most valuable contacts.

Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 27 April 2012 09:15:31AM 3 points [-]

Why not both? Eg. optimizing for a few really close friends and many more useful acquaintances/friends?

Comment author: semianonymous 20 April 2012 04:58:14AM *  4 points [-]

Threads like that make me want to apply Bayes theorem to something.

You start with probability 0.03 that Eliezer is sociopath - the baseline. Then you do Bayesian updates on answers to questions like: Does he imagine grandiose importance to him or is he generally modest/in line with actual accomplishments? Does he have grand plans out of the line with his qualifications and prior accomplishments, or are the plans grandiose? Is he talking people into giving him money as source of income? Is he known to do very expensive altruistic stuff that is larger than self interested payoff or not? Did he claim to be an ideally moral being? And so on. You do updates based on the likehood of such for sociopaths and normal people. Now, I'm not saying he is something, all I am saying is that I can't help it but do such updates - first via fast pattern matching by the neural network, then if I find the issue significant enough, explicitly with a calculator if i want to doublecheck.

edit: I think it will be better to change the wording here as different people understand that word differently. Let's say we are evaluating whenever the utility function includes other people to any significant extent, in presence of communication noise and misunderstandings. Considering that some people are prone to being pascal wagered and so the utility function that doesn't include other people leads to attempts to pascal-wager others, i.e. grandiose plans. On the AI work being charitable, I don't believe it, to be honest. One has to study and get into Google (or the like) if one wants the best shot at influencing morality of future AI. I think that's the direction into which everyone genuinely interested in saving the mankind and genuinely worried about the AI has gravitated. If one wants to make impact by talking - one needs to first gain some status among the cool guys, and that means making some really impressive working accomplishments.

Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 20 April 2012 06:05:46PM 7 points [-]

It seems you are talking about high-functioning psychopaths, rather than psychopaths according to the diagnostic DSM-IV criteria. Thus the prior should be different from 0.03. Assuming a high-functioning psychopath is necessarily a psychopath then it seems it should be far lower than 0.03, at least from looking at the criteria:

A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as >indicated by three or more of the following: failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are >grounds for arrest; deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure; impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead; irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults; reckless disregard for safety of self or others; consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial >obligations; lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another; B) The individual is at least age 18 years. C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years. D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode."

Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 14 April 2012 09:40:04PM 0 points [-]

Nice post with much interesting material.

I wonder when I read the following:

"Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy has a highly successful approach for breaking habits, which requires only a very subtle alteration to this process. You notice that you are biting your nails...."

Do you know of any studies on this, or could you link me to some other source of further reading? (eg on the specifics of the method, on the evidence for them, whether there are any high-quality meta-reviews, etc)

Comment author: gwern 02 March 2012 09:11:38PM 3 points [-]

Maybe there's some confounding factor - like sudden recent interest in Singularity/transhumanist topics forcing the cite count up?

Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 13 March 2012 05:18:51PM 0 points [-]

Unlikely, they have been highly ranked for a long time and singularity/transhumanist topics are only a very small part of what JCS covers.

Comment author: RobinHanson 15 March 2009 02:21:34PM 9 points [-]

Carl, following that link to its source brought me here: http://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/index.jsp?action=download&o=33188, where several randomized trials are mentioned. But I see no meta-analysis, so I still worry about publication selection biases, etc. Anyone know of a meta-analysis of this lit?

Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 16 January 2012 05:48:21PM *  5 points [-]
Comment author: Jesper_Ostman 30 October 2011 02:35:54PM *  0 points [-]

Generally, to me, a cross-linking dedicated x-risk-forum, a literature list and perhaps also a wiki seem like useful things which don't already exist.

There are several small organizations which are created by one person and limited to a small website that nobody reads.

Seems like a good idea to write a discussing post gathering the names and links to the websites of such groups (or persons), as well as more well-known groups, aiming to get a comprehensive list. In addition to being useful in itself such a list could provide a starting point for people to contact about your ideas of a forum and a wiki.

  1. Open complete library of all literature on existential risks.

Similarly, it seems like a comprehensive bibliography of X-risk literature would be a useful resource. Seth Baum's GCR bibliography might be a good starting point.

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