Comment author: Yvain 21 September 2011 06:52:58PM *  19 points [-]

I appreciate and agree with the principle behind this post, but when a store wants to charge me for using the bathroom I either find a friendlier store or else I hand them the money with a smile and never buy anything from that store ever again.

There are certainly sources of knowledge that are not cheap to produce and which deserve our funding and our appreciation. But I am not going to give eg gated journals one cent more than I am absolutely forced to, and I consider it morally important to make attempting to profiteer off of other people's scientific research as unprofitable and unpleasant as possible.

Comment author: Jordan 21 September 2011 07:18:03PM 2 points [-]

Hear, hear. I encourage everyone to buddy up with an academic and use that academic's library's access to journals.

Comment author: Rain 19 August 2011 06:02:00PM 2 points [-]

I thought he was taking the "don't bother" approach by not giving a probability estimate or arguing about probabilities.

In any case, there's still the question of what is rational for those of us who do think SIAI's chance of success is "small".

I propose that the rational act is to investigate approaches to greater than human intelligence which would succeed.

Comment author: Jordan 21 August 2011 04:44:28AM 2 points [-]

I propose that the rational act is to investigate approaches to greater than human intelligence which would succeed.

This. I'm flabbergasted this isn't pursued further.

Comment author: MatthewBaker 05 August 2011 08:55:07PM 0 points [-]

Have you tried vaporizing medical sleepy weed? That helped a lot with my insomnia :)

Comment author: Jordan 05 August 2011 10:33:18PM 1 point [-]

Definitely works better than any supplement or herbal remedy I've tried, but I usually don't feel rested the next day.

Comment author: MatthewBaker 05 August 2011 08:17:24PM *  0 points [-]

Your right, I was being too rhetorical when i said that. The final point of my piece was simply a way of explaining the quote, i can agree that

human sleep patterns are not completely dependent on external stimuli. and hopefully we will research them more.

Comment author: Jordan 05 August 2011 08:51:06PM 1 point [-]

Fully agree, especially because I suffer from chronic insomnia =D

Comment author: MatthewBaker 05 August 2011 04:19:18PM *  2 points [-]

no known human cultures that engage in polyphasic sleep (not counting biphasic sleep).

Look, our sun forces us into a monophasic pattern because of the day/night cycle that occurs everywhere around the earth but our body's don't naturally fall into it. We sleep at night because our brain is wired to sleep when its dark and that's an evolved mechanism but the behavioral pattern that polyphasic sleep requires isn't evolved into our system its just a natural response to the natural light patterns of our world . In parts of the world where light comes less often sleeping patterns are different than near the equator as evidenced by biphasic sleepers around the world who follow the Siesta pattern naturally.

It was dangerous, to try and guess at evolutionary psychology if you weren't a professional evolutionary psychologist; but when Harry had read about the Milgram experiment, the thought had occurred to him that situations like this had probably arisen many times in the ancestral environment, and that most potential ancestors who'd tried to disobey Authority were dead. Or that they had, at least, done less well for themselves than the obedient. People thought themselves good and moral, but when push came to shove, some switch flipped in their brain, and it was suddenly a lot harder to heroically defy Authority than they thought. Even if you could do it, it wouldn't be easy, it wouldn't be some effortless display of heroism. You would tremble, your voice would break, you would be afraid; would you be able to defy Authority even then?

Harry blinked, then; because his brain had just made the connection between Milgram's experiment and what Hermione had done on her first day of Defense class, she'd refused to shoot a fellow student, even when Authority had told her that she must, she had trembled and been afraid but she had still refused. Harry had seen that happen right in front of his own eyes and he still hadn't made the connection until now...

All i'm saying is that people attribute evolutionary reasons to things that have many separate causes and are unproven because they think they understand it. That's what both these quotes illustrate as far as i know :)

Comment author: Jordan 05 August 2011 08:05:37PM *  1 point [-]

All i'm saying is that people attribute evolutionary reasons to things that have many separate causes and are unproven because they think they understand it.

I agree, however, reverse stupidity is not intelligence. You say

the behavioral pattern that polyphasic sleep requires isn't evolved into our system its just a natural response to the natural light patterns of our world

but this seems like an unsubstantiated claim, just as much as people claiming sleep must be an evolved behavior. I agree that sleep is at least partially behavioral, but it's unclear to me that there isn't an evolved component. See this blurb from Wikipedia, which suggests that human sleep patterns are not completely dependent on external stimuli.

Comment author: MatthewBaker 04 August 2011 08:17:36PM *  2 points [-]

If i asked the question "why did humans form a hibernative monophasic sleep cycle? most people would say because at night we slept in caves and shelter to escape the dark and we evolved to sleep that way" even though that's not the case with out genes at all. People often attribute things that are entirely behavioral to evolutionary reasons and that's what i think the quotes trying to illustrate.

Baby's start out sleeping Polyphasically but soon adapt a natural night/day cycle due to the humans around them (mirror neurons, reinforcement, lighting). Now i dont know if this proposed experiment would-be very feasible or ethical but most people discount it because they "understand" evolution.

Comment author: Jordan 05 August 2011 01:01:44AM 4 points [-]

I would discount polyphasic sleep as being natural on grounds of my current knowledge of anthropology. As far as I know there are no known human cultures that engage in polyphasic sleep (not counting biphasic sleep). That seems like pretty strong evidence that it isn't behavioral, it's physiological, which in turn suggests (but doesn't guarantee) an evolutionary basis for human sleep patterns. Of course, some amount of human sleep patterns is behavioral, e.g. the siesta.

Comment author: Jordan 16 July 2011 11:50:24PM 3 points [-]

Great post, great review of the literature.

Where do you get most of your references? Do you wade through the literature, or do you use review papers? I'd love to see a book length compilation with the same density as this post.

Comment author: wedrifid 16 July 2011 05:27:39PM *  11 points [-]

but it's difficult to imagine

I believe that is the point they are trying to illustrate. If you are trying to QS your way to one in several million events then you had better start imagining pretty hard and consider every possible unexpected event of that order of improbability, including black swans. You can influence the relative probability of various failure modes but you must acknowledge that the failure modes become magnified alongside the win outcome.

This consideration is probably not a problem when playing a simple low-n roulette. It becomes insurmountable when you are trying to brute force 4096 bit encryption. You just have to hope the machine breaks gracefully instead of doing something unexpectedly bad.

Comment author: Jordan 16 July 2011 06:59:40PM 0 points [-]

you had better start imagining pretty hard and consider every possible unexpected event of that order of improbability, including black swans

With QS you must guard yourself against all local Everett branches. Those branches could conceivably contain black swans, like a few electrons tunneling out of a circuit preventing a CPU from performing correctly. Even that is a 1:1,000,000,000 or more event. But they will not contain something macroscopic.

If I look around and notice no one nearby, I might say "I am only 99% confident that there isn't anyone near." If I then sample all local branches (with a device that has a 1:1,000,000 fail rate), killing myself in those branches that no one appears, what is the probability that I will find myself in a branch with another person nearby? I would say about 1%. The presence or absence of another person should behave classically for the small numbers we are talking about. Quantum probabilities are different than my own Bayesian probabilities.

In short, while some failure modes will become more common, others will not.

Comment author: Jordan 16 July 2011 02:35:25AM 3 points [-]

If I were to build a death machine it would be based on high explosives. I would encase my head in a mound of C4 clay (or perhaps a less stable material). The machine could fail, most likely at the detonator, but it's difficult to imagine how it could maim me.

Comment author: MixedNuts 15 July 2011 08:46:58AM 2 points [-]

You mean alieve, not believe. This is a technique to alieve what you already believe.

Comment author: Jordan 15 July 2011 05:29:07PM 4 points [-]

It's difficult for my brain to parse a sentence with 'alieve'. I guess I've watched too many commercials, and my brain associates 'Aleve' with 'relieve', which has an approximately opposite meaning. I have to mentally substitute 'alieve' with something like 'actually believe' in order to comfortably read the sentence.

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