Comment author: [deleted] 05 December 2011 06:18:17AM 0 points [-]

Was seasoning forbidden?

In response to comment by [deleted] on Announcing the Quantified Health Prize
Comment author: JosephBuchignani 05 December 2011 08:24:52AM 0 points [-]

Yes, unfortunately

Comment author: wedrifid 05 December 2011 07:21:05AM 3 points [-]

I went a month eating nothing but boiled rice, scallops and water.

That's an impressive feat! Unfortunately it tells us only a little about whether scallops give you all the vitamins and minerals you need. From what I understand you will not experience much in the way of scurvy after just one month of being deprived of vitamin C, let alone get a clear picture of the long term results of any lack in the more subtle deficiencies!

I'd love to see some links too. I'd perhaps take for granted that scallops could give the basic minerals we require (seawater has most of the same salts that we need) but the vitamins I'd have expected to be a different story!

Comment author: JosephBuchignani 05 December 2011 08:22:37AM *  1 point [-]

I was driven to it by necessity, I have intraheptic cholestasis.

You aren't very familiar with the paleo literature. Conclusive evidence exists that human beings can consume just about any animal monotonically without suffering nutrient deficiency. Exceptions might be extremely simple animals like snails or maybe starfish that don't share enough similarity. But most seafood and land animals will work.

The major exception to this rule is that some animals don't have enough fat to sustain life, which leads to protein poisoning. The solution is to either eat more carbs or more fat from another source.

Vitamin C deficiency is impossible to contract while eating fresh meat. See polar expeditions for details. This is a problem with the "daily value" theory. Vitamin C is present in meat in far smaller amounts than in plants, but because of greater bioavailability, it is actually a better source than plant sources. As long as the meat is fresh.

I may put together all this at some point, with links etc. It's buried in my notes.

Comment author: Kevin 04 December 2011 03:40:36PM 6 points [-]

Any citations or links?

Comment author: JosephBuchignani 05 December 2011 05:58:08AM 0 points [-]

I went a month eating nothing but boiled rice, scallops and water. It was the highest energy/mood/libido diet I've ever tried, but I couldn't maintain weight because it tasted gross.

Comment author: Kevin 04 December 2011 12:44:22PM *  2 points [-]

To Less Wrong: what are your priors on nutrition? Not necessarily what you do, but what your prior life experience and research has led you to believe is actually correct.

I'll start:

Paleo diet is great, except some carbs and gluten are fine in moderation except in a minority (though possible a high minority, like 40%) of people with outlying genetic mutations that make them process carbs improperly (I admit my prior on this is partially determined by my current unwillingness to stop eating pizza and sandwiches). Intermittent fasting helps prevent cancer.

If you eat paleoish with 5-6 servings of diverse fruits and vegetables daily, you might only be deficient in vitamin D, fish oil, Vitamin E, zinc, magnesium, calcium, (and iron for women) potassium, sodium, lithium.

Also, trace minerals are good (such as in ConcenTrace supplement), but there is probably not good evidence on this.

It might be possible to get an almost totally healthy no supplement diet if you were willing to eat lots of organ meat and use a Vitamin D Lamp.

Comment author: JosephBuchignani 04 December 2011 02:41:36PM -2 points [-]

Actually, you can get all vitamins, minerals and micronutrients by eating scallops only. It's a whole animal and mineral rich due to inexhaustibility of ocean water (compared to soil mineral content).

But you still need rice and fish protein for nutritional bulk and flavor.

Comment author: Zvi 02 December 2011 12:53:56PM 4 points [-]

This is a problem with asking practically any question about health, if you have the point of view espoused in your article/website regarding health. Not only will it be the response to any question on nutrition, most questions about other things will get an answer starting with "First, fix your diet!" I know this first hand, since several of my friends have similar points of view.

Not that there's anything wrong with that! What you say is a valid hypothesis, and if that is what you believe than that is what you should answer with your own, different kind of research. It will not be automatically dismissed, and if you convince us that you're right, you'll win. I'd be disappointed if no one tried this in some form.

Also note that even if everything you think about nutrition is correct, that doesn't mean that you can convince a given patient to follow your advice, so recommendations for the rest of us are still highly useful, and even if modern medicine was hopelessly broken a decision must still be made on what to do.

Comment author: JosephBuchignani 02 December 2011 03:08:48PM 3 points [-]

"It will not be automatically dismissed, "

I'm more than satisfied with that. And I agree with the rest of your comment. As I said in the article, I think the company is a good idea.

Comment author: JosephBuchignani 02 December 2011 11:06:20AM 2 points [-]

I've posted a critique of the contest's internal assumptions here, along with part of my answer:

http://www.aquatic-ape-diet.com/blog/2011/12/02/critiquing-the-lesswrong-mineral-supplementation-5000-contest/

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