Comment author: MBlume 06 May 2009 10:11:56PM 19 points [-]

Most people, the theory goes, would remain in the pension scheme, because they understand they're better off with a pension and it was only laziness that prevented them from getting one before.

I've felt for a long time that the same solution should be implemented for organ donation.

(Actually, there's a case to be made for "screw your sentimental attachment to your meat parts -- we can save lives". But soft paternalism is a start.)

Comment author: JulianMorrison 07 May 2009 02:58:00PM 16 points [-]

Mandatory donation would really screw you over if you were trying for cryonics.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 06 May 2009 07:45:53PM 5 points [-]

I forget where, but I read a blog post that described these sorts of things as controlled experiments - you want to test one part of your decision apparatus, not have it confounded by all the others.

Also, you are anthropomorphizing the paperclipper AI. It would accept your bargain, but demand not just a handful but as many paperclips as you could be arm-twisted into making - where your pain at the expense and effort is just below where you'd prefer the billion deaths. And then it would exploit your exhausted state to stab you in the back anyway. It's not psychopathic, it's just incrementing a number by expedient means. You can't negotiate with something that won't stay bought.

Comment author: jimrandomh 05 May 2009 05:52:34AM 6 points [-]

More importantly: maybe the fact that an underdog existed at all is only likely to be recorded if they won.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 05 May 2009 08:39:38AM *  -1 points [-]

When have victors ever been shy to boast? But what might be lost is the detail of the underdog's strategy.

Comment author: RobinHanson 05 May 2009 05:46:31AM 12 points [-]

I worry about selection effects - maybe underdogs only choose unconventional strategies when they could think of one that seemed promising.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 05 May 2009 06:44:51AM -1 points [-]

Even so, why didn't they look harder? It's the generalized willingness to quit and take a loss that's surprising.

Comment author: MBlume 05 May 2009 02:44:22AM 1 point [-]

red is a color I've heard mentioned, therefore all beads are red

and thus his bayes-score drops to -Infinity

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Comment author: JulianMorrison 05 May 2009 06:25:22AM -1 points [-]

I don't think AIXI tries to maximize its Bayes score in one round - it tries to minimize the number of rounds until it converges on a good-enough model.

Comment author: orthonormal 05 May 2009 02:27:25AM 2 points [-]

Taking the broader view, I wonder how much complaining about cheats is really an attempt by Goliath to have slings declared unfair.

Reminds me of the Playing to Win essay linked here a few weeks ago.

And how much of the desire to be nice and conform is evolution telling David to fall in line.

That doesn't make sense, though. If playing "cheap" in this way benefits David against Goliath, then evolution would favor a whole lot of Davids playing "cheap".

Comment author: JulianMorrison 05 May 2009 02:42:32AM 0 points [-]

Not sure what you mean by "cheap".

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Comment author: JulianMorrison 05 May 2009 02:41:09AM 0 points [-]

Thinking about how an Occamian learner like AIXI would approach the problem, it would probably start from the simplest domain theory "beads have a color, red is a color I've heard mentioned, therefore all beads are red", p=1. If the first bead was grey, it would switch to "all beads are grey", p=0. The second bead is red, "half and half", p = 0.5, and so on, ratcheting up theories from the simplest first.

Comment author: dclayh 04 May 2009 11:18:43PM 5 points [-]

I actually turn to Tolkien when I'm in what I assume other people would call a "religious" mood: he has the virtues of poetic/literary merit and mythological self-consistency; moreover the fact that everyone, including the author, knows that it's completely false and made-up gives a clean separation between my emotional response and any possible intellectual import.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 05 May 2009 01:54:41AM 0 points [-]

I used to love Tolkien, when I was a kid. But honestly, I can't see the attraction as an adult. Piling centuries of backstory onto a character doesn't make it three-dimensional. And while Tolkien's short doggerel can be fun, his long poems are boring. I don't know - I'm not a poet - but they're probably technically excellent. That doesn't save them.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 05 May 2009 01:33:54AM 5 points [-]

One interesting pattern in there, that the article doesn't draw into a conclusion - the two main examples presented, Eurisko and the basketball team, both were faced down by unofficial officials who tried to get them to conform and lose - and they backed down.

I would have gone for the kill. Let them cancel the tournament, let the ref foul the game. Ultimately, being too conciliatory cost them the war.

Taking the broader view, I wonder how much complaining about cheats is really an attempt by Goliath to have slings declared unfair. And how much of the desire to be nice and conform is evolution telling David to fall in line.

How David Beats Goliath

18 JulianMorrison 05 May 2009 01:25AM

From the New Yorker:

It was as if there were a kind of conspiracy in the basketball world about the way the game ought to be played, and Ranadivé thought that that conspiracy had the effect of widening the gap between good teams and weak teams. Good teams, after all, had players who were tall and could dribble and shoot well; they could crisply execute their carefully prepared plays in their opponent’s end. Why, then, did weak teams play in a way that made it easy for good teams to do the very things that made them so good?

[...]

David’s victory over Goliath, in the Biblical account, is held to be an anomaly. It was not. Davids win all the time. The political scientist Ivan Arreguín-Toft recently looked at every war fought in the past two hundred years between strong and weak combatants. The Goliaths, he found, won in 71.5 per cent of the cases. That is a remarkable fact. Arreguín-Toft was analyzing conflicts in which one side was at least ten times as powerful—in terms of armed might and population—as its opponent, and even in those lopsided contests the underdog won almost a third of the time.

[...] What happened, Arreguín-Toft wondered, when the underdogs likewise acknowledged their weakness and chose an unconventional strategy? He went back and re-analyzed his data. In those cases, David’s winning percentage went from 28.5 to 63.6.

[...]

Arreguín-Toft found the same puzzling pattern. When an underdog fought like David, he usually won. But most of the time underdogs didn’t fight like David. Of the two hundred and two lopsided conflicts in Arreguín-Toft’s database, the underdog chose to go toe to toe with Goliath the conventional way a hundred and fifty-two times—and lost a hundred and nineteen times.

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