Comment author: Viliam 02 April 2016 08:24:19PM *  2 points [-]

Cultural Revolution = SJWs + "Lord of the Flies"

Imagine the current student protests, except that they would happen during a revolution, so instead of getting teachers fired you could simply hang them and no one outside the school would really care. The accounts of Cultural Revolution that I have read were pretty much this.

Cultural revolutionaries had the options that SJWs currently don't have. (Similarly how current neo-Nazis don't put people into gas chambers, because they don't live in an environment where they would be allowed to build the gas chambers. That doesn't make them mentally different.)

Comment author: Lamp 02 April 2016 08:54:31PM 0 points [-]

I never said the SJW's don't wish they could do the things the cultural revolutionaries did.

Comment author: Dagon 02 April 2016 08:03:09PM 1 point [-]

This line of defensiveness is even less interesting than the original topic, I wish I could downvote more than once.

Comment author: Lamp 02 April 2016 08:12:48PM -5 points [-]

We already have evidence that Gleb has been hiring meat puppets from third world countries to help promote his organization on LW. Can we just ban him already?

Comment author: Lamp 02 April 2016 06:39:31PM 10 points [-]

Also, two of your recommendations are.

Our top political figures can make powerful, courageous and politically unpopular statements that all Muslims are not to blame for this attack, and that we should not radicalize the rest through unthoughtful policies. We can reach out to Muslim leaders who condemned the Brussels attacks and work together against the radicals.

Of course, this is what western leaders have been doing for the past 15 years, and it doesn't seem to be working. Turns out Muslims are more inclined to get their theology from their own imans then from western politicians, and reaching out to "moderate" Muslim leaders results in Muslim leaders that are moderate in English but radical in Arabic.

Comment author: Gleb_Tsipursky 02 April 2016 06:24:31PM -5 points [-]

As I said, politics is hard mode. I am willing to make a bet that nowhere in the article did I state or implicitly claim that "the primary cause" of radicalization is police presence. Are you willing to take on that bet?

Comment author: Lamp 02 April 2016 06:35:08PM -2 points [-]

You're analyze the affect of police presence entirely based on the direct affect on radicalization. You don't even analyze the intended effect of the police presence, or it's effect on the main causes, e.g., radical imans in mosques, social pressure from more radical Muslims.

Comment author: Lamp 02 April 2016 06:04:47PM *  3 points [-]

So you wrote an article that starts with a false premise, namely the implicit claim that the primary cause of radicalization is western police presence. It then proceeds to use numbers you appear to have taken from thin air in an argument whose only purposes appears to be signalling "rationality" and diverting attention from said false premise. It final reaches a conclusion that's almost certainly false. This is supposed to promote rationality how?

Comment author: Lumifer 02 April 2016 04:35:29AM -1 points [-]

tries to include at least one "good German".

And do you believe that in Iliad all Trojans are fully bad guys and gals..?

Comment author: Lamp 02 April 2016 05:08:58AM *  1 point [-]

There's a major difference. A "good German" is one who doesn't need killing and in fact helps you kill "bad Germans". From the point of view of the Iliad a "good Trojan" is one who exhibits heroic virtues, of course, that makes it especially heroic for a Greek to kill him.

Comment author: Lumifer 02 April 2016 03:11:09AM *  0 points [-]

Yes, and look at the implicit morals that the fiction assumes.

Yes, and..?

You didn't have to go that far back. Pretty much most WW2 fiction books assume the peak of morality is to kill as many Germans as possible. So?

If you restrict to the ghetto classes.

Do rednecks qualify? What about white trash? X-) Or let's go global. Do you think Chinese peasants are particularly sophisticated people? India's slum dwellers?

Comment author: Lamp 02 April 2016 04:03:17AM 0 points [-]

Pretty much most WW2 fiction books assume the peak of morality is to kill as many Germans as possible. So?

Most of the WW2 fiction I've seen, at least from the Western front, tries to include at least one "good German".

Do you think Chinese peasants are particularly sophisticated people? India's slum dwellers?

I'm not familiar with the details of either of those populations, but from what I've heard they'd need a lot less "ideological belief" to to get them to engage in violence against out groups.

Comment author: Jiro 01 April 2016 05:36:49AM -1 points [-]

Ok, define "bigotry",

Negative beliefs about a group of people based on weak evidence, and actions that derive from such beliefs, particularly when the group is defined by a characteristic that is difficult or impossible to change.

also explain why "bigotry" as you just defined it is a bad thing.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Claims that are similar to ones that have been proven false in the past and have led to lots of human misery count as extraordinary for these purposes.

Comment author: Lamp 02 April 2016 12:53:02AM -1 points [-]

Negative beliefs about a group of people based on weak evidence,

And then you use this as an excuse to ignore any negative evidence.

Comment author: Viliam 01 April 2016 10:07:46PM 4 points [-]

There seem to be similarities in behavior to the "Cultural Revolution", such as rebelling at universities, and requiring teachers and classmates to toe the line or publicly apologize and/or get fired, etc. (I don't know if the similarities are sufficient, or if this is more or less a standard pattern for every political movement.)

Comment author: Lamp 02 April 2016 12:51:37AM 2 points [-]

Well, the cultural revolutionaries didn't simply fire those who wouldn't toe the line.

Comment author: Lumifer 02 April 2016 12:31:05AM 0 points [-]

In that case, you appear to have no idea how most people behave.

I'll take your opinion under consideration.

Well, not really.

the Illiad

Fiction.

Arabian knights

Ain't no such thing.

the bahavior of modern gangs

And what percentage of modern society is a gang member?

Comment author: Lamp 02 April 2016 12:48:59AM 0 points [-]

the Illiad

Fiction.

Yes, and look at the implicit morals that the fiction assumes.

And what percentage of modern society is a gang member?

If you restrict to the ghetto classes.

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