Comment author: peter_hurford 11 August 2013 11:19:42AM 1 point [-]

I can't really think of anything. Do you have a suggestion?

Comment author: LanceSBush 11 August 2013 12:20:09PM 0 points [-]

Sorry to be less helpful...if one had occurred to me right away, I'd mention it. Surprisingly, one's not coming to me, either. I like the connotations associated with demystifying, and 'rebuttal' doesn't seem terrible, as it has the connotation of an explicit criticism of some claim or other, without quite so strong a connotation as 'debunk'. However, it's close enough that I think it may fall onto the other side back into the epistemological arrogance category. Maybe refutation? Unfortunately I think introspection fails me on how adequate these terms are since the connotation I take them to have may differ from how others take them - more feedback from others might be more helpful than whatever my own conclusions might be. Response seems sufficient for now at least.

Comment author: peter_hurford 11 August 2013 08:33:02AM 6 points [-]

Good points. It is now the "Responses Repository".

Comment author: LanceSBush 11 August 2013 10:37:51AM 4 points [-]

I agree with the above comment that use of the term debunking seems objectionable on "epistemological arrogance" grounds, but 'response' seems a bit too weak. 'Response' doesn't really capture the connotation that the responses given are taken to provide grounds for the position criticized as being less plausible. There may be a better term, and the choice of terminology in this germinal stage of concocting some type of terminology for this sort of thing might be important enough to consider this further.

Comment author: RobbBB 23 July 2013 03:57:31PM *  5 points [-]

I suggest making a list of LW- or EA-relevant articles on a Talk page, so everyone can quickly add to it. Sort them in three categories:

  • high priority: stuff pretty much everyone agrees needs urgent work, based on quality and importance
  • mid priority: stuff that should be gotten to eventually, or anything whose priority a number of LWers disagree about
  • low priority: important but high-quality articles LWers should keep tabs on in case they degrade, and otherwise unimportant articles LWers might be especially knowledgeable about

Then start working through the high priority list systematically, focusing effort on one article at a time. The existential risks article you mention seems like a fine place to start. If there's a ton of interest, bring an article all the way up to Featured Article status and try to get it shown off on Wikipedia's main page, as a way of spreading important ideas. Otherwise, just try to make them better resources. Perhaps coordinate with (and/or take over) WikiProjects focused on: Mathematics, Statistics, Cognitive Science, Psychology, Computing, Technology, Transhumanism, Futures studies.

Comment author: LanceSBush 23 July 2013 04:44:47PM 3 points [-]

That sounds good. I'll do that. I may take slightly longer than someone experienced with Wikipedia (I need to familiarize myself a bit with the specifics, but it looks pretty darn easy, so that shouldn't be an issue) but unless someone more capable than me wants to run with this, I'll retain my commitment to doing it myself.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 23 July 2013 01:44:47PM 22 points [-]

If you are going to do this, please keep in mind Wikipedia's most relevant policies and guidelines in this context: The conflict of interest guideline, the Neutral point of view policy, and the prohibition on original research.

Comment author: LanceSBush 23 July 2013 02:04:56PM 4 points [-]

I will certainly keep those considerations in mind. I don't personally intend any substantial revisions without them being reviewed. I have no explicit interest in promoting any particular agenda, but I am of course aware that my interests and affiliations could lead me to have particular biases or to over- or underemphasize certain issues; that's another reason why having multiple eyes look at these pages makes more sense than going at it alone. I don't want these pages to reflect my take on an issue. I just want the pages to be better.

Low-hanging fruit: improving wikipedia entries

36 LanceSBush 23 July 2013 01:14PM

Many people are likely stumble across the Wikipedia entry for topics of interest relevant to those of us who frequent LessWrong: rationality, artificial intelligence, existential risks, decision theory, etc. These pages often shape one’s initial impressions of how interesting, important, or even credible a given topic is, and may have the potential to direct people towards productive resources (reading material, organizations like CFAR, notable figures such as Eliezer, etc.). As a result, ensuring that the Wikipedia entries on these topics are of better quality than some of them presently are presents an opportunity for investing relatively little effort in an activity with potentially substantial payoffs relative to the cost of time and effort put in.

I have already decided to improve some of the pages, beginning with the rather sloppy page that’s currently serving as the entry for existential risks, though of course others are welcome to contribute and may be more suited to the task than I am:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risks_to_civilization,_humans,_and_planet_Earth

If you look at the section on risks posed by AI, for instance, it's notably inadequate, while the page includes a bizarre section referencing Mayan doomsday forecasts and Newton's predictions about the end of the world, neither of which seem adequately distinguished from rigorous attempts to actually assess legitimate existential risks.

I’m also constructing a list of other pages that are or are potentially in need of updating it and organizing it by my rough estimates of their relative importance (which I’m happy to share, modify, or discuss).

Turning this into a collaborative effort would be far more effective than doing it myself. If you think this is a worthwhile project and want to get involved I’d definitely like to hear from you and figure out a way to best coordinate our efforts.

Comment author: LanceSBush 22 July 2013 03:24:40PM 4 points [-]

Hey everyone, long-time lurker here (I ran a LW group in Ft. Lauderdale, FL for about a year) and this is my first comment. I would like to post a discussion topic on a proposal for potential low-hanging fruit: fixing up Wikipedia pages related to LessWrong's interests (existential risk, rationality, decision theory, cognitive biases, etc. and organizations/people associated with them). I'd definitely be interested in getting some feedback on creating a wiki project that focusing on improving these pages.

Comment author: Alex_Altair 20 April 2012 06:41:32PM 0 points [-]

Yeah, they don't really advertise at all. Or have any kind of website whatsoever. Here's the official pdf. I can also answer any questions you have.

Comment author: LanceSBush 24 April 2012 04:28:35PM 0 points [-]

I haven't had any questions yet; just looking over the details. I'm doubtful I'll be able to corral everybody into going to this, but we'll see.

Comment author: Alex_Altair 15 April 2012 07:19:05PM 0 points [-]

The cryonics conference is happening this year in Fort Lauderdale again, April 27-29. Do you think the meetup for April 28 could happen in conjunction with the conference? I think it might have to be closer to Fort Lauderdale itself, since most of the attendees won't have much in the way of transportation. Last year there were lots of LWers there, so it might be worth it.

Comment author: LanceSBush 20 April 2012 02:06:47PM 0 points [-]

That definitely sounds like a good idea. I will discuss it with the group tomorrow and see what they have to say, then get back to you. It would probably make sense for us to just head up to that instead of having our normal meetup on the 28th.

I didn't find much information on this conference - could you fill me in on any details? It looks like it's in Deerfield Beach, which isn't too far from where we meet up at all.