Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 13 June 2014 01:38:50PM 9 points [-]

Why?

Comment author: Lethalmud 13 June 2014 07:33:57PM 6 points [-]

It looks childish to me. its looks the same as x-treme.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XMakesAnythingCool

I guess its just me, and its of no real consequence. But it seems to trivialize such a serious subject as existential risk.

Comment author: Lethalmud 13 June 2014 12:38:57PM 3 points [-]

I cringe at the term x-risk.

Comment author: HughRistik 10 April 2009 05:38:26AM *  19 points [-]

And for this post, I use "benefits" or "practical benefits" to mean anything not relating to philosophy, truth, winning debates, or a sense of personal satisfaction from understanding things better. Money, status, popularity, and scientific discovery all count.

In my life, I've used rationality to tackle some pretty tough practical problems. The type of rationality I have been successful with hasn't been the debiasing program of Overcoming Bias, yet I have been employing scientific thinking, induction, and heuristic to certain problems in ways that are atypical for the category of people you are calling normal rationalists. I don't know whether to call this "x-rationality" or not, partly because I'm not sure the boundaries between rationality and x-rationality are always obvious, but it's certainly more advanced rationality than what people usually apply in the domains below.

On a general level, I've been studying how to get good (or at least, dramatically better) at things. Here are some areas where I've been successful using rationality:

  • Recovering from social anxiety disorder and depression
  • Social skills
  • Fashion sense
  • Popularity / social status in peer group
  • Dating

I'm not using success necessarily to mean mastery, but around 1-2 standard deviations of improvement from where I started.

I do find it interesting that many people are not achieving practical benefits from their studies of more advanced rationalities. I agree with you that akrasia is a large factor in why they do not get significant practical benefits out of rationality. I am going to hypothesize an additional factor:

The practical benefits of x-rationality are constrained because students of x-rationality (such as the Overcoming Bias / Less Wrong) schools of thought focus on critical rationality, yet critical rationality is only good for solving certain types of problems.

In my post on heuristic, I drew a distinction between what I'm calling "critical rationality" (consisting of logic, skepticism, and bias-reduction) and "creative rationality" (consisting of heuristic and inference). Critical rationality concerns itself with idea validation, while creative rationality concerns itself with idea creation (specifically, of ideas that map onto the territory).

Critical rationality is necessary to avoid many mistakes in life (e.g. spending all your money on lottery tickets, high-interest credit card debt, Scientology), yet perhaps it runs into diminishing returns for success in most people's lives. For developing new ideas and skills that would lead people to success above a mundane level, critical rationality is necessary but not sufficient, and creative rationality is also required.

Comment author: Lethalmud 23 May 2014 01:54:06PM 1 point [-]

I'm curious, how did you use rationality to develop fashion sense?

Comment author: TheAncientGeek 14 April 2014 02:43:40PM 1 point [-]

You're using "socialism" vaguely. Iron curtain socialism was awful. North-western European social democracy is not.

Comment author: Lethalmud 14 April 2014 02:58:11PM 2 points [-]

What do we get if we Taboo socialism?

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 16 January 2014 06:48:03AM *  29 points [-]

One major example of a situation where you'll want to hack your terminal goals is if you're single and want to get into a relationship: you're far more likely to succeed if you genuinely enjoy the company of members-of-your-preferred-sex even when you don't think that it will lead to anything.

Comment author: Lethalmud 17 January 2014 10:49:37AM 7 points [-]

It helped me very much to follow utility "have (and enjoy) a date" instead of "find a relationship".

Comment author: Nornagest 13 January 2014 10:46:23PM *  2 points [-]

I seem to remember the answer being that cycling is more dangerous per mile than driving, but that the increase in physical fitness more than compensates in all-cause mortality terms. The first paper I found seems to point to the same conclusion.

I don't know how that would be adjusted in someone that already has fitness habits. It probably also depends on how well developed the cycling infrastructure in your town is, but I've never seen any actual data on that either.

Comment author: Lethalmud 14 January 2014 11:42:58AM 3 points [-]

In my experience bicycling is much safer. I have been cycling more or less everyday since I was at least since I was 8. and have never been in a life-threatening accident. however, while traveling by car, I have been in 2 or 3 potential life threatening crashes. But this will be very dependent of location culture and personal variables.

Comment author: RobbBB 06 September 2013 05:15:18PM *  1 point [-]

Agreed. The reason I link the two abilities is that I'm assuming an AI that acquires either power went FOOM, which makes it much more likely that the two powers will arise at (on a human scale) essentially the same time.

Comment author: Lethalmud 10 January 2014 11:22:32AM 1 point [-]

If a FAI would have a utility function like "Maximise X while remaining Friendly", And the UFAI would just have "Maximise X". Then, If the FAI and a UFAI would be initiated simultaneously, I would expect them both to develop exponentially, but the UFAI would have more options available, thus have a steeper learning curve. So I'd expect that in this situation that the UFAI would go FOOM slightly sooner, and be able to disable the FAI.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 06 January 2014 03:14:12AM 4 points [-]

Precautionary and Anti-Precautionary Heuristics. When harm is unbounded, never use a new technology if a more ancient one does the same function. When harm is bounded, never use a known technology if a newer one can do the same function. (Background: I just had a run-in on twitter with C Venter who was trying to invoke GMOs (Vitamin rice) as the only alternative to children's blindness (or moral grounds) when one can give these kids, carrots or pills, instead. But then Monsanto and other labs would never benefit from these standard solutions...)

Nassim Taleb

Comment author: Lethalmud 07 January 2014 03:43:22PM 1 point [-]

Carrots have no measurable positive effect on eyesight. Otherwise, good quote.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 30 December 2013 01:24:44AM 7 points [-]

You have a limited number of teeth to experiment with.

Comment author: Lethalmud 07 January 2014 01:31:49PM 3 points [-]

That's where your little brother comes in.

Comment author: VAuroch 03 December 2013 11:43:52AM 9 points [-]

I don't see the Ledger Joker as irrational, merely insane. It's just his morality and ethics that are horrible. As far as reaching his goals, he is extremely (unrealistically) competent. You don't flawlessly account for every move your opponents make, in advance, for 98% of your visible career, by being totally irrational.

Comment author: Lethalmud 06 December 2013 03:53:28PM 2 points [-]

Unless you have plot armor.

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