Comment author: Manfred 02 October 2016 06:14:24PM *  2 points [-]

Not relevant to cryonics. "Super-cooling" is not a neologism, it means that the water didn't freeze when they cooled the organs down to -3 degrees C. This is not extendable to lower temperatures.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 03 October 2016 12:01:11AM 3 points [-]

It might help, though - if you suddenly stop applying the magnetic fields, then it might freeze more abruptly than if you simply lower the temperature. That could reduce the extent of crystallization and thus damage.

Comment author: Houshalter 12 September 2016 01:31:58AM 1 point [-]

I didn't design the questions and those are the official answers. And it does seems correct to me, that it should include all bills ever printed and not just those currently being printed.

I'm really not sure how to do your second point. I could fit all the answers into a normal distribution sure, but what information does that give me for any specific individual? It doesn't really tell me what their true probability of getting the question correct was, which I can already get from the percent of people that answered each question correctly.

The third idea is interesting, comparing people who got the same number of answers right. But it still does reward luck and prior knowledge. As I showed, people have indistinguishable probabilities of getting each question right, all that differs is how overconfident or underconfident they are.That model seems to produce the best correlations as well.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 13 September 2016 04:25:20PM 1 point [-]

1) Really?

Alexander Hamilton appears on how many distinct denominations of US Currency

It's the present tense that throws me. I would expect the question to be 'has appeared'. Whatever.

2) That's not what I meant. I mean, you can turn each individual person's prediction/probability pair into a gaussian curve. It is centered on their answer with width such that a 10 year window contains that much probability. You can then use that to get the probability this distribution - and thus, by proxy, the respondent - assigns to the actual year.

3) On such a small data set you can't get rid of luck, let alone differences in knowledge. I think that by picking out people who got the same number correct you do a pretty good job of de-confounding that. It cuts sideways across the bins in the 'mean % correct' vs 'mean % confidence' graph which showed flat performance across confidence, in a way that you can't do straightforwardly otherwise.

Comment author: Lumifer 11 September 2016 10:29:30PM 0 points [-]

you had some degree of say

(emphasis mine). Notice the tense.

Things change.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 13 September 2016 04:15:13PM 0 points [-]

I don't quite follow what the objection is. Suppose Alice and Bob design a simulation. They design it so that once started it will run with no interference from either of them or anyone else until it is done. Then Alice enters, while Bob does not; it then begins.

To the extent that this sim has gods, Alice is one. But there is no one outside with control. Also, the civilization did not all hop into the sim.

Comment author: James_Miller 10 September 2016 07:20:21PM 1 point [-]

it looks like this is a big boost to the simulation argument.

It could be that you only get civilizations "in universes is governed by a tiny subset of all possible functions" because else wise either evolution can't "discover" how to create intelligent life, or evolved intelligent life can't figure out science.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 11 September 2016 07:49:39PM *  1 point [-]

That reminds me of a fantasy novel I began and abandoned - in it, there's a civilization that can do astonishing things and even though they have math beyond ours, they still have no idea how just about any of it works, because the rules are so much more complicated that they have a hard time pulling off balls rolling down ramps kinds of experiments (the ramp would remember balls rolling and, depending on the details of the ramp, make it happen slower or faster; and if you made a new ramp each time the pattern of your interaction with ramps would develop the same sort of reaction). One of them was kicked out to a place where magic was weaker, allowing her to figure it all out; she ended up stronger than any of them.

Comment author: Houshalter 11 September 2016 06:05:16PM 2 points [-]

I'm going to post it to it's own thread when it's totally complete (the analysis itself is done but I just don't like the way the sections are organized.) You can ask me any questions you have. I'd be very interested in any suggestions to make it better or less confusing.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 11 September 2016 07:27:17PM *  3 points [-]

First, on the Hamilton question, it's not at all clear that the official answer is the correct one given the question. A very reasonable reading of the question would restrict the scope to items currently in circulation. Looking at the question, even knowing you meant 'ever', it feels like an unnatural way of asking. If you clarified, then I at least would have answered higher and with less confidence; and I suspect that almost everyone else would have as well.

Second, there are several questions which had a numeric range - like, say, the Dairy Queen question. Reducing to binary right-wrong seems needlessly lossy. If you convert the confidence of being within 10 years into an expected error on a Gaussian distribution, you can plot the actual deviations vs the expected deviations.

Third, I am trying to figure out if one can do something with the automatic probabilities-to-odds generation scheme discussed... somewhere here. I can't find it. Basically, you'd pair up people who were right on the same questions and see who would win, betting against each other based on their probabilities in such a way that they each expect to win the same amount. Only works between people who shared answers, though. Should be generalizable to people with similar levels of accuracy, and may be generalizable to people with different levels of accuracy.

Comment author: streondj 10 September 2016 03:25:50AM 1 point [-]

perfect copies are impossible ala conservation of quantum information http://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0306044v1.pdf

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 11 September 2016 06:41:02PM 3 points [-]

That only applies if the simulation is implemented using actual quantum mechanics to give the appearance of quantum mechanics, AND our brains are implemented using this actual quantum mechanics.

Even in that case, if the simulation can be suspended and the brains measured with a noise floor well below thermal noise, then the copies can be good enough that no experiment from inside the simulation could ever detect the copy event occurring, and arbitrarily many copies can be made without further degradation.

Comment author: Lumifer 10 September 2016 04:33:29PM 0 points [-]

Unless of course We created the simulation.

No, not unless. Someone is running the simulation, someone has control. These someones are Gods regardless of their origin.

You don't mean that a civilization put a dream-maker on full autopilot and then jumped in, do you?

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 11 September 2016 06:33:44PM 0 points [-]

Nothing said or began to imply that every member of the outside society entered the simulation.

If you enter a simulation, it is reasonable to suspect that you had some degree of say over what kind of simulation it is. Far from certain, of course.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 11 September 2016 05:44:42PM 4 points [-]

Is there a thread for the calibration question analysis? I have some questions and comments about that, more than this.

Comment author: gwern 26 July 2016 10:36:42PM 2 points [-]
  1. I sort of did touch on Naam's screwup there; it doesn't make sense to even talk about the next generation of AI being dumber, whether or not the 'complexity' is square, square root, log, or exponential or whether he calculated 70% right.
  2. whups
  3. I'm not sure which objections are stronger than others. Nondeterminism is probably less helpful to an AI than approximations, but is approximations more helpful than redefining problems? Computronium brute force? The possibility that P=NP and an AI can find a non-galactic algorithm for that? Weighing the stronger objections would require a much more precise total model of the constant factors and asymptotics and computational resources and possibilities for expansions.
Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 27 July 2016 01:25:42PM 2 points [-]

I think redefining problems and approximation are both huge. I didn't mean a complete ranking, just fleshing out and giving more life to certain elements after the list is done. Pointing out how big a deal they are. These are important failures in the argument. In a way it comes across as a kind of reverse Gish Gallop - you have a bunch of really really strong arguments, and by putting them in a list the impression is weakened.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 27 July 2016 01:16:30PM 1 point [-]

Who are the moderators here, again? I don't see where to find that information. It's not on the sidebar or About page, and search doesn't yield anything for 'moderator'.

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