Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 25 February 2013 10:43:05PM 6 points [-]

This is an excellent point I should've noticed myself (though it's been long and long since I encountered the parable). Who says you own a baby just by being its genetic mother?

Albeit sufficiently young babies are plausibly not sentient.

Comment author: MaoShan 26 February 2013 04:17:31AM 2 points [-]

Given the wording of the story, both women were in the practice of sleeping directly next to their babies. The other woman didn't roll over her baby because she was wicked, she rolled over her baby because it was next to her while she slept. They left out the part where the "good mother" rolled over her own baby two weeks later and everyone just threw up their hands and declared "What can we do, these things just happen, ya' know?"

Comment author: someonewrongonthenet 26 February 2013 02:55:06AM *  1 point [-]

Well, if you duplicate an apple (or even another person) there is never any confusion of which one is "real". They are both identical duplicates.

However, when you talk about duplicating yourself, all these smart people are suddenly wondering which "self" they would subjectively experience being inside. And that's pretty ridiculous.

So you need to point out that the self doesn't really exist over time in the strictest technical sense, in order to make people stop wondering which identical copy of their subjective "self" will end up in.

These questions don't make sense because In the same way that you can't subjectively experience other people, you can't subjectively experience yourself from the past or the future.

Comment author: MaoShan 26 February 2013 04:02:22AM 0 points [-]

Well-said. Thank you.

Comment author: someonewrongonthenet 23 February 2013 03:55:26AM *  0 points [-]

Apologies for the late response. Grant proposals and exams.

I think the following series of posts really captures how I go about intuitively deconstructing the notion of "individual".

EY discusses his confusion concerning the anthropic trilemma and I think his confusion is a result of implicit Belief In A Soul, and demonstrates many similarities to the problems you outlined in your post. KS tries to explain why this dissonance occurs here and I explain why dissonance need not necessarily occur here in the comments.

To summarize the relevant portions of this discussion, EY(2009) thinks that if you reject the notion that there is a "thread" connecting your past and future subjective experiences, human utility functions become incoherent. I attempt to intuitively demonstrate that this is not the case.

Hopefully people will weigh in on my comment over there, and I can see if it holds water.

Comment author: MaoShan 24 February 2013 04:46:36AM *  0 points [-]

As I read the "Anthropic Trilemma", my response could be summed up thus: "There is no spoon."

So many of the basic arguments contained in it were defined by undefined concepts, if you dig deep enough. We talk about the continuation of consciousness in the same way that we talk about a rock or an apple. The only way that a sense of self doesn't exist is the same way that a rock or apple don't exist, in the strictest technical sense. To accept a human being as a classical object in the first place disqualifies a person from taking a quantum-mechanical cop-out when it comes to defining subjective experience. People here aren't saying to themselves, "Huh? Where do you get this idea that a person exists for more than the present moment?? That's crazy talk!" It's just an attempt to deny the existence of a subjective experience that people actually do, um, subjectively experience.

Comment author: Bugmaster 20 February 2013 03:48:55AM 4 points [-]

Saving the world is by definition reactive

It depends on what you mean by "reactive", I suppose. For example, if you as a superhero dedicate years of your life to reducing hunger in the world, then technically you are reacting to the hunger that exists, but still, this is much more similar to "optimizing the world" than to "stopping Lex Luthor".

Comment author: MaoShan 21 February 2013 03:26:18AM *  1 point [-]

You are correct. I was interpreting "saving the world" in this article to mean "saving the world [from supervillains]". (fixed in comment now)

Comment author: MaoShan 20 February 2013 03:45:42AM *  1 point [-]

The most limiting thing that you have not pointed out is that as a Superhero, you want to save the world. Saving the world [from supervillains] is by definition reactive. A Supervillain's goals have much more room for variation, and one could argue that Supervillains actually are optimizing the world, it just happens to be sub-optimal for everyone else.

Comment author: MaoShan 15 February 2013 04:41:06AM 0 points [-]

t=59 minutes...

AI: Hmm, I have produced in this past hour one paperclip, and the only other thing I did was come up with the solutions for all of humanity's problems, I guess I'll just take the next minute to etch them into the paperclip...

t=2 hours...

Experimenters: Phew, at least we're safe from that AI.

Comment author: MaoShan 09 February 2013 06:51:10AM *  0 points [-]

Why are some of your links triggering scammish popups? Is it supposed to be some sort of humor?

Comment author: MaoShan 11 February 2013 12:56:11AM 1 point [-]

It was determined to be human error on my side. Fixed.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 10 February 2013 07:16:16AM 1 point [-]

Your computer probably has a badware problem. If you are running Windows, try anti-spyware programs such as Spybot. Otherwise, check your browser proxy settings and browser extensions ....

Comment author: MaoShan 11 February 2013 12:54:24AM 2 points [-]

I think it actually may have been an add-on that was intentionally (or just carelessly) installed into Firefox by another family member. I can shut it off myself. Seriously, who would download a program that explicitly promises more popups? (facepalm)

Comment author: poiuyt 09 February 2013 07:07:32AM 1 point [-]

I'm not seeing any popups?

Comment author: MaoShan 10 February 2013 03:09:27AM 0 points [-]

Refer to the nested comment above for the details. So nobody else here has links on those words?

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 09 February 2013 07:17:27AM 1 point [-]

They are? Which ones?

Comment author: MaoShan 10 February 2013 03:06:26AM 1 point [-]

The word "pay" in paragraph 1, the word "details" in paragraph 5, and the word "money" in paragraph 7. It's possible that either my computer or the LW site has some very creative adware.

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