Comment author: [deleted] 25 June 2012 09:26:32AM 0 points [-]

Depends on why the comments were banned. If it's because they disclosed information which shouldn't have been disclosed...

In response to comment by [deleted] on Configurations and Amplitude
Comment author: Monkeymind 25 June 2012 11:37:25AM *  -6 points [-]

Comments were banned simply because thumbs down indicated that people did not want to read them. CENSORSHIP because no one had to read what I wrote. They knew exactly what they would get when they returned to the thread as I was consistent throughout.

Although the mod asked me not to post. Another senior member pm'd me and suggested that I post less often and try to add something to a discussion that was agreeable to other participants. SO I'd wait a few weeks and then added comments including information from mathematicians in support of my conclusions, thinking that this would be more acceptable. Since it was not, I can only conclude that people are just NOT open to the different pov that I have.

Vlad_nesov said:

"those enabling them by responding to them should stop.and (A specific suggestion I have is to establish a community norm of downvoting those participating in hopeless conversations, even if their contributions are high-quality.)

ADDED: What is sad, is that I wanted to talk about the OP, amplitudes and configurations, and everyone else keep wanting to talk about me, and have me read other sequences, etc. The false conclusions others have made about GPS just needed to be addressed as well as many other points, but I'll leave it alone. It is obvious no matter how much water flows under the bridge, I will be censored. Folks here are not interested in discussing the erroneous conclusions of the virtual half-silvered mirror experiment.

Comment author: [deleted] 24 June 2012 04:24:09PM 0 points [-]

Maybe, that is the problem. Can't you look at a coastline and see the beauty of it without thinking about fractals? Can you not enjoy a flower w/o thinking of Phi?

No, why should I? It adds to the awesomeness of coastlines that they are paradoxically unmeansurable, and that flower leaves grow according to repulsion which results in fibbonachi spiral systems.

I can already do the simple trick of "that's a pretty thing" but when I think about the maths it gets better.

Also, if by reductionism you are talking about reducing objects down to their interactions, this is where things get unnecessarily complex for the 'normal' folks.

By reductionism I mean the reductionist thesis: The brain has a multi-level model of reality but reality is single-level. Reducing a rainbow means finding out that raindrops cause rainbows by refraction.

The reason why reductionism is important is that by virtue of Mind Projection, we might be tempted to think that Rainbows are fundamental, solely because we haven't reduced them to constituent parts yet, so our world-model contains an opague black box called "rainbows."

Reduce down to a distinction between objects and concepts FIRST. Once that is straight, talk about how 'things' interface.

What do you mean?

In response to comment by [deleted] on The scourge of perverse-mindedness
Comment author: Monkeymind 24 June 2012 11:55:50PM *  -1 points [-]

"What do you mean?"

I may have wrongly determined (because of your name) that you held the same view as other plasma cosmologists (the Electric Universe folks) that I have been talking with the last couple of weeks. Their view is that reality is at the single level, but 'observable reality' (the multi-level model) is the interface between the brain and reality. Consequently, all their discussions are about the interface (phenomena).

If so, then understanding the difference between an object and a concept might help one come up with ways to make reductionism kewl for the 'normal' folk. Math is an abstract and dynamic language that may be good for describing (predicting) phenomena like rainbows (concepts) but raindrops are static objects and better understood by illustration.

While the math concepts make the rainbow all the more beautiful and wonderful for you, this may not be the case for normal folks. I for one have a better "attitude" about so called knowledge when it makes sense. When I understand the objects involved, the phenomena is naturally more fascinating.

But as you suggested, I may be totally misunderstanding the Scourge of Perverse-mindedness.

BTW: The negative thumbs are not mine, but most likely your peers trying to tell you not to talk to me. If you doubt this check my history.... Take care!

Comment author: [deleted] 24 June 2012 02:01:23PM -1 points [-]

You are misunderstanding the purposes of this discussion.

I don't have any problems, I can hardly not see anything as beautiful without maths.

But normalfolk are not so fortunate. How do we trick them into thinking that reductionism is cool?

In response to comment by [deleted] on The scourge of perverse-mindedness
Comment author: Monkeymind 24 June 2012 02:09:13PM *  -4 points [-]

"I can hardly not see anything as beautiful without maths."

Maybe, that is the problem. Can't you look at a coastline and see the beauty of it without thinking about fractals? Can you not enjoy a flower w/o thinking of Phi?

No tricks needed. Some folks love the beauty of simplicity. Even emergent complexity starts off simple. Get back to the basics, is what I am saying.

Also, if by reductionism you are talking about reducing objects down to their interactions, this is where things get unnecessarily complex for the 'normal' folks.

Reduce down to a distinction between objects and concepts FIRST. Once that is straight, talk about how 'things' interface.

Comment author: komponisto 23 June 2012 06:06:59PM 1 point [-]

This is true

The linked site (http://www.physicsmyths.org.uk/) is a crackpot site which argues that special and general relativity are wrong. So (given what I have heard from credible authorities about the workings of GPS's) I would actually bet that the claim is false.

Comment author: Monkeymind 24 June 2012 01:52:27PM -2 points [-]

The original numbers given by H & K were faked!. They didn't release the actual measurements until years later. Too late...damage done!

The time corrections needed in GPS Sats is because of the variable influences of gravity on the sat as it orbits the earth. It has to do with stress. Ever had a Timex? Shake that puppy too hard and the time is off.

NO difference with Cesium atoms in the atomic clocks. You have different gravitational forces on the atoms that vary by location in the orbit. Or you could just "believe" in time dilation, if you want.

Comment author: [deleted] 24 June 2012 12:28:20PM 0 points [-]

That is an interesting analysis. I think I might view "just" and "wonderful" more like physically null words, so as to say they do not have any meaning beyond interpretation.

I guess I am just getting too rational for interacting with normal people psychology purely by typical-mindedness.

In response to comment by [deleted] on The scourge of perverse-mindedness
Comment author: Monkeymind 24 June 2012 01:27:18PM *  -2 points [-]

From the OP"

“The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference.” -Richard Dawkins, "God's Utility Function," Scientific American (November, 1995).

"Am I posting that quote to disagree with it? No. Every jot and tittle of it is correct."

While I think this: "A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be." Albert Einstein

I also think this:

"Always look on the bright side of life." Monty Python

Why not quickly swallow the bitter pill without any sugar coating, and then just as quickly, get on with one's life and enjoy the rainbows without 'getting all wrapped around one's own axle' or this sort of heavy thinking that ultimately leads to analysis paralysis?

Comment author: wedrifid 24 June 2012 05:37:44AM 2 points [-]

EDIT: removed offensive statement

You didn't finish.

Comment author: Monkeymind 24 June 2012 11:53:46AM -4 points [-]

I removed what was offensive, to Gwern. Speaking of finished, I'm finished with you!

In response to comment by [deleted] on Configurations and Amplitude
Comment author: Alicorn 23 June 2012 08:50:38PM 0 points [-]

I can see the banned comments, but yeah. I actually read or at least skim literally every comment and post on LW, so I've been sitting back for a while now.

Comment author: Monkeymind 23 June 2012 09:10:58PM *  -2 points [-]

So what's up with that? I went to a lot of work writing those posts.

Is this the sort of thing done with approval of the site owner?

They were well thot out and reasoned posts. The majority were very civil and violated no posted rules. In fact there aren't any posted rules that I am aware of. Just because my posts are annoying to some folks is not reason to delete them. NO one has to read anything.

I just don't understand the reasoning there, or here:

"A specific suggestion I have is to establish a community norm of downvoting those participating in hopeless conversations, even if their contributions are high-quality."

Comment author: Alicorn 23 June 2012 08:40:53PM 4 points [-]

Dude, I am a mod. I don't like slinging the banhammer around as a first resort, but you're annoying.

Comment author: Monkeymind 23 June 2012 09:00:53PM -1 points [-]

So being annoying is criteria for being banned? That's messed up Alicorn.

What is annoying is waiting a month until my karma count goes down and then getting 35 negative karma points immediately. If you don't want me to post then ban me, or get off my case. I can't be responsible for people being annoyed.

Comment author: gwern 23 June 2012 07:57:33PM 0 points [-]

But OK, if that is how you roll, I'll continue on to the Singularity board or Nick Bostrom's or elsewhere and discuss the equally debunked notions of transhumanism instead. I only hope that I don't continue to encounter the immaturity and childishness I have here.

"Skies change, not cares, for those who cross the seas." --Horace

Good luck, if you ever finally graduate into the real world of solid objects and hard cold reality, I'll be surprised.

If I ever turn into something you approve of unreservedly, I will be surprised too.

Comment author: Monkeymind 23 June 2012 08:09:12PM -6 points [-]

I approve of you as a fellow human ...unreservedly. I don't have to approve of your actions or ideas.

I will never approve of censorship or other acts of persons who are willfully ignorant. If that does not apply to you, then accept my apology for any offense.

Comment author: Desrtopa 23 June 2012 07:11:11PM 0 points [-]

I wish EY would come straighten you guys out!

I'm hesitant to point this out after saying I wasn't going to engage with him anymore, but this sounds way less like something someone who's sincerely spent months chasing after the idea that Eliezer is seriously misguided for what he wrote in Configurations and Amplitudes would say than someone who was deliberately trying to crank the levers of other readers. I've wavered previously on whether to give him the benefit of the doubt, but at this point I think it's only fair to assume that Monkeymind is a troll rather than a hopelessly confused person.

Comment author: Monkeymind 23 June 2012 07:59:01PM *  -5 points [-]

I meant he would ask why you hadn't read much of what he has written, or if you have why you did not understand it or disagreed. I went in great detail about this, but it has all been deleted. I'm not about to repost it here. BUT, I do have copies of everything I have written, if he is interested.

You neither showed me to be hopelessly confused or a troll. Get back to reality, you poor misguided fool! Time for you to switch thumbs again. I'm tired of the bullying, but more tired of your mischaracterization.

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