In response to comment by [deleted] on Rationality quotes: May 2010
Comment author: ata 04 May 2010 06:29:27AM *  2 points [-]

How is that related to rationality?

Comment author: Nanani 07 May 2010 05:04:23AM 1 point [-]

Probably the close similarity to this site's oft-quoted "Shut up and multiply."

Comment author: meisey 02 May 2010 09:16:59PM 1 point [-]

Not to mention that if all but a few were destroyed and there was a need to rebuild technology and set up society again basic skills needed to do this would be non existent in the general public things like chemistry, electronics and mechanics, things we base our lives on today, are not common knowledge and we wouldnt be able to rebuild what we have today

Comment author: Nanani 07 May 2010 05:00:35AM 4 points [-]

What -are- you talking about?

We have massively literate societies and a culture in which all the knowledge is shared massively. After a crisis, the remaining few would have to pick up a lot of skills they lack before crisis, but they would have the means to do so in said stores of knowledge, plus the immense advantage of knowing that the things destroyed are possible. The general public -is- capable of learning.

Hunter-gatherers had no knowledge of chemistry, electronics, and mechanics, nor any concept that the things we do with them were possible.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 01 May 2010 03:46:47PM *  4 points [-]

I've had 2 Japanese cars. They're reliable; but when something does break, it's often hidden deep inside the engine so you need to have a mechanic pull the engine out and charge you $700 to replace a $10 part.

Comment author: Nanani 07 May 2010 04:47:21AM 1 point [-]

Is this not true true of most modern cars, not only Japanese ones?

Decades ago, drivers could and did repair engines themselves, but today's cars require more knowledge, training, and tools than the hobbyist is likely to have.

The expense of repair says little about reliability. Mean time to failure would be better.

Comment author: MBlume 03 May 2010 07:03:18PM *  4 points [-]

The new CEO of Coca-Cola in the 1980s had a problem with his senior vice-presidents who thought the company was doing well because they had 45 percent of the soft drink market. He asked them, "What proportion of the liquid market - not just the soft drink market - do we have?" That turned out to be only two percent. The resulting change in the world view of the company led Coca-Cola to increase sales revenue by thirty-five times in just over ten years.

--Review of The Art of Choosing, by Sheena Iyengar

Comment author: Nanani 07 May 2010 04:33:57AM 1 point [-]

All liquids, not just drinks? ...I wonder when Coca-Cola will start making liquid soaps, fuel, and lubricants.

Comment author: Alicorn 04 May 2010 10:08:42PM 8 points [-]

If someone told you that they worked at NASA during the moonshot, and that the whole thing was a fake, would you believe them?

Comment author: Nanani 07 May 2010 02:48:01AM 1 point [-]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

If they had it, yes. Not otherwise. This evidence would have to cover both the immediate claim (that they were working at NASA at that time) and the larger one (that the moon landing was faked). Evidence explaining why no one else ever came forward would be appreciated but not required if the other two things are present.

In response to comment by knb on The Red Bias
Comment author: sketerpot 21 April 2010 03:53:33AM 16 points [-]

Also, the electoral map you show makes the GOP look "stronger" mainly because the area of the red states happens to be larger than the more densely populated blue states.

Let's test this. I inverted the colors on that map, so the Democrats are red and the Republicans are blue. Which looks stronger?

inverted election map

In response to comment by sketerpot on The Red Bias
Comment author: Nanani 23 April 2010 01:35:47AM 2 points [-]

I wonder, could the effect be reduced by using a darker shade of red? This red is certainly more vivid than the blue to my eye.

Comment author: Nanani 22 April 2010 01:23:07AM *  3 points [-]

RE: The Grieving Student

You don't even need to go as far as society. The school, or school board, will almost certainly have an exception in place for this sort of thing. This is true at all levels for death of an immediate family member. (I speak from experience, having been exempted from final exams one year. My final grade was instead based on coursework, as if there had been no final for the class. )

In fact, odds are the school or department will have a clear policy that says concerts, sports events, and the like are not an acceptable excuse for missed work, but funerals, severe illness, and the like, are. So, to make the story more plausible, the precommitter should be the department head or principal or something like that, rather than the teacher. < / nitpick>

In response to comment by Peter_Twieg on Ugh fields
Comment author: AnnaSalamon 15 April 2010 12:22:01AM 7 points [-]

My experience is that ugh fields are invariably unfortunate in their effects. While it might indeed be useful to have a disgust reaction to candy or video games, the "ugh fields" seem not to be visceral disgust, but visceral, conditioned-pain-induced tendencies to cut off thought. Shadows you hide from in your own mind.

My experience is that the more ugh fields I can clear out, and the better I can get at not accumulating them, the more I can actually honestly think, can notice choices rather than just feeling stuck, and can find myself with energy to take on new projects. That is, there seems to be a general property of "having a clear mind" or "facing things" vs "hunkering down with willful tunnel vision lest I run into something painful", and allowing or clearing out an ugh field around an email or a broken conversation or whatever it is affects my overall state, not just that one area.

In response to comment by AnnaSalamon on Ugh fields
Comment author: Nanani 15 April 2010 01:46:42AM 3 points [-]

While it might indeed be useful to have a disgust reaction to candy or video games, the "ugh fields" seem not to be visceral disgust, but visceral, conditioned-pain-induced tendencies to cut off thought.

In my experience, this only ever happens with a specific candy or game. For example, If I lose repeatedly and humiliatedly in an online game, I might develop an ugh field that ultimately prevents me from even thinking about popping on to play it, but the corresponding comfort activity is far more likely to be "play a different game" than "go study some math instead".

Comment author: orange 13 April 2010 03:00:20AM *  1 point [-]

The site lost my response; bugger.

I have to object to your first objection there. What can you claim to know about the female sex in general solely based on the fact that you yourself are female? You are just a data point. So, regardless of your gender, I think it's fairly legitimate to say, "You need to realize something about females."

That something -- whether females identify with their own gender more strongly than males -- is absolutely verifiable using scientific channels. The only thing that may be objectionable about my statements - is if they're flat-out wrong.

But to remedy that is easy - just find the truth.

Your objections threw me off. I could understand saying, "That hasn't been verified." But to say, "I'm a female, so you shouldn't lecture me on females" - something struck me as wrong about that. Can we agree on this or am I falling for bad logic?

As for the last statement, I respect your belief that gender issues interfere with your goals. But the way you stated it in the original post was judgmental. You could have just presented a rational case for it. Or is that not the way things run around here? Is it better to insult everyone that doesn't think the way you do?

Comment author: Nanani 14 April 2010 01:28:49AM 2 points [-]

Can we agree on this or am I falling for bad logic?

We can certainly agree on this point. Though I hasten to add that if you had indeed presented some sort of research, I would not have made the comment. Without objective fact behind it, it smacked of condescencion.

the way you stated it in the original post was judgmental.

I made no original post. I urge you to read the actual original post my comment was made to respond to, and the threads the prompted it. I will not be recapping the gender kerfluffle for you.

Or is that not the way things run around here? Is it better to insult everyone that doesn't think the way you do?

Consider your bait safely ignored.

Comment author: orange 09 April 2010 04:12:19AM 1 point [-]

Please explain your second statement exactly. I don't see why you have this objection.

Comment author: Nanani 12 April 2010 01:45:01AM 2 points [-]

Your comment begins "It might be considerate to realize that females do have a legitimate reason for why they are more salient to their own sex and issues regarding gender".

In saying this, you are telling me (a female) that I need to realize something about females. This is questionable, at best, and is so regardless of your own gender.

Then you conclude "... a stronger identification with their own gender. " to which I reply "Balderdash".

Gender is a part of one's identity, obviously, but to say that women can't help but feel theirs is more salient is a broad-strokes over-generalizing statement that is ultimately as patroniaing as anything else that can or has been taken to be biased against women. It effectively says "Oh, women can't help but feel they are treated differently," and in doing so, treats them differently.

Do you understand the objection, now?

More to the point, my original comment was expressing that rationality is NOT a gender issue. I very strongly believe that to let gender issues interfere in one's goals, be they rationality goals or not, is a bad move. That is all.

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