Weekly Marin, CA meetup

0Nevin29 June 2011 02:24AM

The Less Wrong Marin group has been happening for over a month now, and can be declared a regular meetup. Our typical meeting includes some version of dinner at Nevin's house, 665 Northern Ave, Mill Valley on Tuesdays at 6:30pm. Each meetup is announced on the Bay Area Less Wrong mailing list.

The group size is usually around six. This is what we look like right now:

Nevin05 January 2011 05:33:20AM* 12 points [-]

The new XKCD is highly relevant.

Okay, middle school students, it's the first Tuesday in February.

This means that by law and custom, we must spend the morning reading though the Wikipedia article List of Common Misconceptions, so you can spend the rest of your lives being a little less wrong.

The guests at every party you'll ever attend thank us in advance.

Subtext: I wish I lived in this universe.

Nevin29 September 2010 06:44:47AM* 2 points [-]

A similar graph is here.

Nevin12 May 2010 01:20:24AM2 points [-]

Thanks Alexandros, this was well articulated.

Beyond PageRank, I feel this pattern has applicability in many areas of everyday life, especially those related to large organizations, such as employers judging potential employees by the name of the university they attended...

So a person who goes to a prestigious school and games the system in order to graduate [without actually getting smarter] is something of a "spam worker." The OBP process is incentivizing earning a degree from a good school, and taking the emphasis off of getting smart.

I'd spent plenty of time thinking about SEO, and plenty of time thinking about people seeking prestige via academic institutions, but has never noticed the parallel.

...I have more written material on this subject, especially on possible methods of counteracting this effect...

I would be interested in hearing about those methods. I'm in the business of producing legitimate news (feel funny calling it "content"), and am unhappy with the amount of time I must spend making sure my website stays out of the false negative space.

Also, I wonder if the methods you have thought of would also apply to these parallel situations in society.

Nevin20 April 2010 03:30:17PM1 point [-]

I don't think so, but I'm not sure. I just happened to be there for the day, I'm not a resident of the house.

Nevin20 April 2010 05:56:56AM4 points [-]

To be fair, I don't think any of us were outraged at you. I think we were all trying to understand where exactly you make the distinction.

I find I think the hardest (i.e. think the most differently from normal, habitual thought) when I'm pushed right to where I draw choice-boundaries.

And actually I never quite wrapped my head around the basis of your view (I'm new to thinking about those things in such depth, since I've been surrounded by people who think like me). I'd like to continue the conversation sometime, in a more low-key environment.

Oh, and "Hi." I'm a lurker.

Nevin18 April 2010 04:49:28PM1 point [-]

Any alternatives in mind?

The first thing that comes to mind is having no masthead image. Any image will presumably be misunderstood by some fraction of visitors, but the text alone is very clear. I can see why people like the current image; perhaps a solution is to replace it with a solid color for people arriving from Google or StumbleUpon.

Nevin18 April 2010 06:06:39AM* 4 points [-]

The map image in the masthead confused me when I found LW, and might reduce the probability that casual Web-browsing would-be-rationalists would take the time to understand what LW actually is before moving on.

I'm new to the community; this post may not be structured like the ones you're used to. Bear with me.

If LW is anything like the few sites whose analytics numbers I've seen, a significant portion of traffic comes from Web searches (I would wildly guess 10-30% of their pageviews). According to the analytics I've seen on my own site, out of those landings from Google et. al., many are likely to stay only for a few seconds, presumably trying to see if they've found what they're looking for.

[In my opinion] the name, small grey welcome box for new readers, and the tagline under the logo collectively do a good job of explaining what LW is, even for people who aren't familiar with any related terminology or concepts. The image of a map in the background, [in my opinion], does not. When I first arrived I thought for a few moments it was a site about maps. I ended up reading enough to stick around, but I wonder if some don't.

I would like to ask people who didn't understand what the site was about and didn't return to LW if the image was the reason... but we'll never hear from them. So instead, I invite people here to chime in about whether or not the image deterred them at first, and whether it is something worth re-thinking.

[Whether this potential deterrent is bad is a separate question; I'm just curious about whether it even is a deterrent. I can see arguments for trying to deter people (or certain types of people) intentionally, but I suppose that's irrelevant if the image doesn't affect the probability that first-time readers will return.]