Comment author: atorm 04 March 2012 11:51:52AM 5 points [-]

I agree that jwhendy should be proud of himself, but "You deserve to achieve your goals" and "You will achieve your goals" are probably not related. Don't assume that this will turn out great with everyone receiving the document crying and hugging and saying how they'll always love you no matter what. The world doesn't work that way, and being prepared for that is more important than praising the (admitted) inspiration and beauty of this piece.

Comment author: Nicholas_Covington 05 March 2012 11:37:25PM 1 point [-]

Well, of course things may not work out exactly like an Oprah special. But I think that even if there is anger/bitterness/backlash at first, things will, in time, work out and his family will accept him, provided he handles the situation with care (which I predict he will) and provided that his family is composed of people who are somewhere in the vicinity of reasonableness. They may not be. But permanent disownment by a family for purely religious reasons is rare, in my experience. Don't get me wrong: it happens. But as someone who grew up and lives in the bible belt, it is not common.

Comment author: Giles 04 March 2012 05:28:11PM 3 points [-]

Just to clarify something: I would expect most readers here would interpret "logically valid" to mean something very specific - essentially something is logically valid if it can't possibly be wrong, under any interpretation of the words (except for words regarded as logical connectives). Self-consistency is a much weaker condition than validity.

Also, Occam's razor is about more than just conjunction. Conjunction says that "XY" has a higher probability than "XYZ"; Occam's razor says that (in the absence of other evidence), "XY" has a higher probability than "ABCDEFG".

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Comment author: Nicholas_Covington 05 March 2012 11:31:35PM -2 points [-]

Hi Giles,

I think Occam's razor is logically valid in the sense that, although it doesn't always provide the correct answer, it is certain that it will probably provide the correct answer. Also, I'm not sure if I understand your point about conjunction. I've always understood "do not multiply entities beyond necessity" to mean that, all else held equal, you ought to make the fewest number of conjectures/assumptions/hypotheses possible.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 04 March 2012 04:51:13AM 3 points [-]

In what sense Occam's razor "logically valid"?

Comment author: Nicholas_Covington 04 March 2012 05:29:45AM 0 points [-]

Well, it is not self-contradictory, for one thing. For another thing, every time a new postulate or assumption is added to a theory we are necessarily lowering the prior probability because that postulate/assumption always has some chance of being wrong.

Comment author: Nicholas_Covington 04 March 2012 05:18:58AM 3 points [-]

That's inspiring, and beautiful. You should be very, very proud of your rationality, adherance to the Socratic method, and your determination to create and maintain a happy marriage and beautiful life. I know you will achieve your goals. You deserve to.

Comment author: Nicholas_Covington 04 March 2012 05:03:26AM 3 points [-]

Sure, I'll read it. Just tell me how to find it!

Comment author: ChrisHallquist 04 March 2012 01:35:51AM 5 points [-]

The problem is that philosophers also make poor philosophers.

Less snarkily, "logical inference" is overrated. It does wonders in mathematics, but rarely does scientific data logically require a particular conclusion.

Comment author: Nicholas_Covington 04 March 2012 04:34:21AM -2 points [-]

Well, of course one cannot logically and absolutely deduce much from raw data. But with some logically valid inferential tools in our hands (Occam's razor, Bayes' Theorem, Induction) we can probabilistically derive conclusions.

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Comment author: Nicholas_Covington 03 March 2012 10:05:08PM 1 point [-]

This, I think, is just one symptom of a more general problem with scientists: they don't emphasize rigorous logic as much as they should. Science, after all, is not only about (a) observation but about (b) making logical inferences from observation. Scientists need to take (b) far more seriously (not that all don't, but many do not). You've heard the old saying "Scientists make poor philosophers." It's true (or at least, true more often than it should be). That has to change. Scientists ought to be amongst the best philosophers in the world, precisely because they ought to be masters of logic.

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Comment author: [deleted] 18 February 2012 05:03:15PM 10 points [-]

I downvoted everyone who suggested that we call people who have not yet been exposed to rationality: "ignoramuses", "stupid", "ignorant", or the like.

I would like to grow the LessWrong community, and calling everyone who isn't already one of us names, is not the way to do it. Also, I find it offensive, and would like to see less comments like these.

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Comment author: Nicholas_Covington 18 February 2012 05:36:36PM -2 points [-]

"A world without humor is indistinguishable from hell." Try to laugh every once in a while, don't take my silly comments seriously.

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Comment author: Nicholas_Covington 18 February 2012 07:13:35AM -17 points [-]

Let's cut the crap and simply call people who "aren't rational because they haven't been exposed to the right ideas yet" what they really are: ignoramuses. Perhaps that's too harsh, though. BTW, I need Karma in order to be able to post here, and I'd like to post, so please give karma. You won't be disappointed.

Comment author: Nicholas_Covington 18 February 2012 07:10:17AM 2 points [-]

It seems to me that the correct reasoning behind Occam's razor is that the more assumptions that a hypothesis must make the lower the prior probability must be. Likewise, the more specific a hypothesis is, the lower the prior probability. For example, the prior probability that "a red F150 will pass by my house within the next five minutes" is lower than the prior probability that "a motor vehicle of some sort will pass by my house within the next five minutes" for reasons that I think are fairly self-explanatory.

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