In response to Conversation Halters
Comment author: Nick_Novitski 20 February 2010 07:34:50PM 9 points [-]

I hear appeals to my politeness.

That is, because many people debate in order to show their skill at debating, or because they want to dominate the other person by making them submit to their position, some folks will mistake you for one of those people (assuming, of course, that you aren't), and they'll be upset by a debate continuing on for too long.

A rarer and sillier objection: the argument to coolness. "Why are you getting so upset about this? It's not like it, or anything else, matters that much."

Comment author: Nick_Novitski 04 January 2010 06:45:31PM 3 points [-]

Here's a silly comic about rationality.

I rather wish it was called "Irrationally Undervalues Rapid Decisions Man". Or do I?

Comment author: [deleted] 04 January 2010 01:24:49AM 3 points [-]

But non-total mass extinction events are awesome! The overpopulation immediately vanishes! Uh, hang on a moment, let me rethink something.

In response to comment by [deleted] on Open Thread: January 2010
Comment author: Nick_Novitski 04 January 2010 06:12:56PM 0 points [-]

This is why neophilia isn't always selected for.

Comment author: dfranke 01 January 2010 05:47:54PM 4 points [-]

I'd like to know what would have happened if movable type had been invented in the 3rd century AD.

Comment author: Nick_Novitski 04 January 2010 06:09:54PM 2 points [-]

For starters, the Council of Nicea would flounder helplessly as every sect with access to a printing press floods the market with their particular version of christianity.

Comment author: CannibalSmith 04 January 2010 10:58:08AM 3 points [-]

Does undetectable equal nonexistent? Examples: There are alternate universes, but there's no way we can interact with them. There are aliens outside our light cones. Past events evidence of which has been erased.

Comment author: Nick_Novitski 04 January 2010 04:36:42PM 0 points [-]

Undetectability is hard (impossible?) to establish outside of thought experiments. Real examples are limited to undetected and apparently-unlikely-to-be-detected phenomenon.

But if I took your question charitably, I would personally say absolutely yes.

I've always been fond of stealing Maxwell's example: if there was a system of ropes hanging from a belfry, which was itself impossible to peer inside, but which produced some measurable relation between the position and tension between all the ropes, then what can be said to "exist" in that belfry is nothing more or less than that relationship, in whatever expression you choose (including mechanically, with imaginary gears or flywheels or fluids or whatever). And if later we can suddenly open it up and find that there were some components that had no effect on the bell pull system (for example, a trilobite fossil with a footprint on it), then I would have no personal issue with saying that those components did not exist back "when it was impossible to open the belfry."

But I hold this out of convenience, not rigor.

Comment author: Nick_Novitski 20 October 2009 05:20:37PM 1 point [-]

First: Haha, voted up for humor.

But if I can be dour for a moment: presume we live in a universe where it's not self-explanatory. What is the cautionary tale we can extract from this? That time spent thinking about optimizing happiness isn't time spent experiencing it?

Comment author: Nick_Novitski 09 September 2009 08:47:17PM 11 points [-]

The return of the dojo metaphor! And here I thought we had seen the back of it.

Personally, I would go a step further and say that debating popular ideas which are unworthy of debate might be a good way to train bright un-titled college students.

My grandmother, being time-rich and lacking for good conversation, never failed to invite door-to-door prosyletizers into her house, then spend hours telling them how ridiculous their beliefs were. Soon after this behavior became known, one told her he had been placed in charge of training new young missionaries, and asked if she would mind if he brought them around and seeing how they did against her. She didn't, so he did, and continued to until her health took its final turn for the worse.

Unfortunately, the anecdote ends there, so I don't know what the results of the experiment were, or if they are an actual argument for this trial by verbal fire. But I'm sympathetic to the guess that the practice would inculcate surety in those students who didn't give up mid-way: they would have the answers to the common lies "beaten" into them.

Comment author: Nick_Novitski 02 June 2009 11:43:31AM 0 points [-]

What makes the intelligence cycle zero-sum? What devalues the 10 MIPs advance? After all, the goal is not to earn a living with the prize money brought in by an Incredible Digital Turk, but to design superior probability-space searching programming algorithms, using chess as a particular challenge, then to use that to solve other problems which are not moving targets, like machine vision or materials analysis or...alright, I admit to ignorance here. I just suspect that not all goals for intelligence involve competing with/modeling other growing intelligences.

Technological advances (which seem similar enough to "increases in the ability to achieve goals in the world" to be worthy of a tentative analogy) may help some (the 20 MIPs crowd) disproportionately, but don't they frequently still help everyone who implements them? If people in Africa get cellphones, but people in Europe get supercomputers, all people are still getting an economic advantage relative to their previous selves; they can use resources better than they could previously.

Also, if point 3'' is phrased equally as vaguely as 3' (perhaps: "Wealthy people are able to do things to increase the values in 2''."), then it seems much more reasonable. Wealth can be used to obtain information and contacts that giver greater relative wealth-growing advantage, such as "Don't just put it all in the bank," or "My cousin's company is about to announce higher-than-expected earnings," or even "Global hyperinflation is coming, transfer assets to precious metals." Conversely (I think), if point 3' had a formulation sufficiently specific to be similarly limited ("Computers can keep having more RAM installed and thus will have more intelligence over time."), I don't see how that would be an indictment of the general case. What am I missing?

In response to comment by PhilGoetz on Voting etiquette
Comment author: PhilGoetz 06 April 2009 05:38:57AM 1 point [-]

My comment just above, though, sets a new personal speed record. It was up for about 10 seconds before someone down-voted it.

I am curious as to why they down-voted it. It would be nice to require people to give a brief (possibly anonymous; possibly not displayed by default) explanation when they downvote something.

In response to comment by PhilGoetz on Voting etiquette
Comment author: Nick_Novitski 08 April 2009 03:38:07PM 0 points [-]

A ranking preference is expressed as a vote. An explanation is expressed as a reply. In the system as it stands, these are two very discrete actions. How often and in what circumstances do people use them in combination? What would be the effects of explicitly linking them?

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 05 April 2009 08:15:46PM *  4 points [-]

Thus, there seems to be 2 modes of voting: hard voting and soft voting. * Hard vote is supposed to push the comment all the way in the specified direction. * Soft vote is supposed to push the comment in the given direction, but only towards neutral rating, and not beyond that.

Yes. The quandary seems, to me, that the voting system is designed for hard voting, but in practice more people are using soft voting.

Comment author: Nick_Novitski 08 April 2009 03:34:42PM 0 points [-]

So the solution is either to change the system's design, or change the user's behavior? The latter seems unlikely, so what would a system designed to utilize soft voting look like?

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