Comment author: Daniel_Starr 20 April 2012 11:37:09PM *  29 points [-]

HPMOR is making me rethink human nature -- because of how people react to it. This is a story full of cunning disguises, and readers seem reluctant to see past those disguises. RL rkcerffrq chmmyrzrag ng ubj many readers took forever to decide Quirrell = Voldemort; I think I now know why.

I suggest that humans are instinctive "observation consequentialists." That is, we think someone is competent and good if the observed results of their actions are benign. We weigh what we observe much more strongly than what we merely deduce. If we personally see their actions work out well, we'll put aside a great deal of indirect evidence for their incompetence or vileness.

In HPMOR, Quirrell's directly observed actions are mostly associated with Harry getting to be more of what he thinks he wants. Even rescuing Bellatrix amounts to Harry getting to save a broken lovelorn creature in terms of what we directly observe. To believe Quirrell evil we have to bring in all kinds of expected consequences to weigh against those immediate positive observations.

Does the resistance to saying Quirrell=Voldemort maybe reflect a broader unwillingness to overlook what we directly witness in favor of abstract deduction? If it does, this implies some interesting predictions about human behavior:

  • if you can be kind and moderate in your personal behavior, you can get away with incredible amounts of institutionally-mediated violence and extremism, especially to anyone who feels like they "know" you. Hypothesis: the most dangerous people are those who can give us the illusion of "knowing" them while they command an institution whose internal operations we don't see.

  • More generally, an institution "wired" to do us harm can get away with it much longer than an individual doing it personally and directly. Faceless corporate evil, faceless societal evil, and faceless government evil are much more deadly than our emotional impulses realize. Hypothesis: we are biased to confuse the institutions with our attitude toward their leaders, or to refuse to act against the institutions because of the outward manners of their leaders.

  • if this 'observation consequentialism' bias is heuristic, then maybe it evolved as an anti-gossip function. In that case we should expect that people are too quick to believe outrageous things about people they can't observe. Hypothesis: the further away someone is from your understanding, the less likely you are to think of them as mostly a typical human being, and the quicker you are to believe them a saint, a monster, or something similarly exciting.

  • And, alas for EY, hypothesis: telling a story about cunning disguises, in which the protagonist of the story does not see through those disguises, is almost always going to lead to lots of readers also not seeing through those disguises.

Comment author: Paulovsk 21 April 2012 04:21:20PM 1 point [-]

You deserve far more karma than what you received, my friend.

By the way, could you link me to the argument expressed here?

RL rkcerffrq chmmyrzrag ng ubj many readers took forever to decide Quirrell = Voldemort

Comment author: jklsemicolon 02 March 2012 06:58:53PM 7 points [-]

When does the job start, and how long does it last? Could someone apply to do it over the summer, say? Will the person(s) have work every week (and thus a "steady job"), or is it all sporadic and ad-hoc?

Comment author: Paulovsk 15 April 2012 12:11:21AM 0 points [-]

Yes, good points. Same doubts here.

Comment author: Paulovsk 13 April 2012 11:20:08PM 0 points [-]

How is the hiring working, if "Age and credentials are irrelevant": Those who submit first get the first shot?

I got pumped out by the oportunity.

Comment author: gjm 12 April 2012 09:59:57AM 15 points [-]

Could be both. In any case I think it's a fair assumption that Quirrell is always up to something.

Comment author: Paulovsk 12 April 2012 06:25:48PM 3 points [-]

This is driving me crazy.

I never know when he's doing evil or not. This chapter, for example, led me to believe he was doing good at some point of his life. Although my rationalist-beginner-side is screaming at me he is Voldemort or something, I can't help but sympathize with that point.

Comment author: MarkusRamikin 11 April 2012 09:08:50AM *  -1 points [-]

That's what I thought at first, but that explanation still leaves me confused. Canon!Ron was a good guy, more or less, I can't see EY flattening the character into a mere Malfoy-hater.

I'm sure the anti-Malfoy sentiment helped, but additionally he probably believes one of those poor explanations of what "really happened".

Comment author: Paulovsk 11 April 2012 10:09:19AM 0 points [-]

And it is likely that he likes her, just as in canon.

Comment author: Alsadius 08 April 2012 04:32:25AM 3 points [-]

a) Unlikely, but I think it's a payoff that Voldemort will still consider to be worth the (rather trivial) costs of setting his plan into motion. It's not as ideal as denying Hermione to Harry, but it still imposed significant costs, which is all to the good.

b) Oh lord.

Comment author: Paulovsk 08 April 2012 12:57:29PM 1 point [-]

b) Oh lord.

Feeling exactly the same.

Comment author: anandjeyahar 06 April 2012 06:07:48PM 3 points [-]

+1 for the very same reason. Reading a HPMOR chapter is a day-long distraction. it simply won't leave my brain alone for work on the rest of the day.

Comment author: Paulovsk 06 April 2012 09:17:24PM 5 points [-]

Waiting for a whole week is the worst part.

Comment author: Eponymuse 06 April 2012 02:48:33AM 17 points [-]

I would much prefer to have them released all at once. I could read them and re-read them at my own pace. There would still be plenty to discuss. The cliff-hangers mean that I currently think about each update more than is productive. It would be nice if the disruptive effect they have on the rest of my life was more localized.

Mostly, though, I'm happy to read it whenever EY gets around to posting it.

Comment author: Paulovsk 06 April 2012 05:43:53PM 3 points [-]

It would be nice if the disruptive effect they have on the rest of my life was more localized.

I think exactly like that.

I vote up to have them released all at once.

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Comment author: Paulovsk 01 April 2012 01:37:47PM 2 points [-]

I don't get it pretty clear. Could you explain in few words?

Comment author: BlackNoise 28 March 2012 06:29:37PM 0 points [-]

Just trade on forex and use time turner to go back and choose the deal.

You sir, are a genius.

Comment author: Paulovsk 28 March 2012 08:12:15PM 0 points [-]

Didn't get. Could you explain?

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