Comment author: linkhyrule5 23 March 2012 11:50:44PM 3 points [-]

FIrst, your grammar is poor, and you abuse run-on sentences, making your idea a pain to read.

Second, it is unnecessarily convoluted. All you really had to say was "Harry retroactively implicates Lord Jugson by using his wand, and clears Hermione's and Draco's."

The problem, of course, is that presumably H&D's wands have already been checked.

Comment author: Pringlescan 24 March 2012 12:06:48AM 1 point [-]

Fair enough.

Comment author: Pringlescan 23 March 2012 10:20:41PM *  -2 points [-]

Whoo it looks like I came up with this idea first as far as I can tell, please inform me if i'm wrong. I do know other people came up with the wands as evidence around the same time though. I was hanging out in the tvtropes thread but then I realized if I wanted actual intellectual stimulation I should probably just hang out over here instead.

The Pringlescan Plan -

Harry gestures to the door, and a new witness shows up right on cue. Its Fred and George Weasley ready to testify at how around midnight they were out of bed pulling a prank when they saw Lord Jugson leaving the trophy room. Possibly muttering something like, "Malfoy finally will get what he deserves" They didn't report it because they had been breaking the rules at the time and didn't want to get in trouble. Harry or whoever Harry got to escort them in to testify then explains that Lord Jugson must have disappeared after the army battle to imperius draco into challenging Hermoine to a duel at midnight. Then Lord Jugson snuck into the school at midnight (being a school governor might have some perks helping him with this but the important thing is if he could have plausibly done it) then stunned both Hermoine and Draco floating them outside the wards (or to the room of requirement or to the chamber of secrets) did the memory charms THERE obliviating draco's imperius charm and putting in the false memory of the battle.

Harry then demands that the wands of all the people involved are presented as evidence. This then shows that Draco's and Hermoine's wands haven't been used since the army battle but Lord Jugson's wand has been used to perform the false memory and obliviate charm. Lord Jugson protests and points out that he is innocent but Harry says Jugson merely had someone obliviate him and his wand is the proof. Trial over, Lord Jugson goes to Azkhbahn for use of an unforgivable curse upon the heir of malfoy and Hermoine is freed and acquitted.

Now if you haven't figured it out yet Harry after the trial goes back in time an hour, using the cloak of invisibility steals the wand of Lord Jugson and the wands of Hermoine and Draco out of custody, goes back in time farther and gets Quirrel or Snape or Dumbledore to false memory charm George and Fred so they can testify, and then uses something like the counfounding charm or something similar to wipe the evidence of any fight off of Hermoine's and Draco's wands assuming they were properly prepped when they were originally framed. Then they cast the obliviate imperius, and false memory charm spells using Lord Jugsons wand and return it to Harry. Harry then sneaks back into the trial and replaces all 3 wands a second after they were originally stolen.

Okay so in this scenario Hermoine is cleared of all charges, she and Draco can go back to being friends and Lord Jugson is put into Azkhbahn. Its a tall order but I think the boy who lived can manage it with some authorial fiat and a time machine. I'm hard pressed to think of any way it could turn out better.

Comment author: Pringlescan 23 March 2012 11:42:02PM 0 points [-]

Why do I have -2 points with no posts explaining it?

Comment author: Pringlescan 23 March 2012 10:20:41PM *  -2 points [-]

Whoo it looks like I came up with this idea first as far as I can tell, please inform me if i'm wrong. I do know other people came up with the wands as evidence around the same time though. I was hanging out in the tvtropes thread but then I realized if I wanted actual intellectual stimulation I should probably just hang out over here instead.

The Pringlescan Plan -

Harry gestures to the door, and a new witness shows up right on cue. Its Fred and George Weasley ready to testify at how around midnight they were out of bed pulling a prank when they saw Lord Jugson leaving the trophy room. Possibly muttering something like, "Malfoy finally will get what he deserves" They didn't report it because they had been breaking the rules at the time and didn't want to get in trouble. Harry or whoever Harry got to escort them in to testify then explains that Lord Jugson must have disappeared after the army battle to imperius draco into challenging Hermoine to a duel at midnight. Then Lord Jugson snuck into the school at midnight (being a school governor might have some perks helping him with this but the important thing is if he could have plausibly done it) then stunned both Hermoine and Draco floating them outside the wards (or to the room of requirement or to the chamber of secrets) did the memory charms THERE obliviating draco's imperius charm and putting in the false memory of the battle.

Harry then demands that the wands of all the people involved are presented as evidence. This then shows that Draco's and Hermoine's wands haven't been used since the army battle but Lord Jugson's wand has been used to perform the false memory and obliviate charm. Lord Jugson protests and points out that he is innocent but Harry says Jugson merely had someone obliviate him and his wand is the proof. Trial over, Lord Jugson goes to Azkhbahn for use of an unforgivable curse upon the heir of malfoy and Hermoine is freed and acquitted.

Now if you haven't figured it out yet Harry after the trial goes back in time an hour, using the cloak of invisibility steals the wand of Lord Jugson and the wands of Hermoine and Draco out of custody, goes back in time farther and gets Quirrel or Snape or Dumbledore to false memory charm George and Fred so they can testify, and then uses something like the counfounding charm or something similar to wipe the evidence of any fight off of Hermoine's and Draco's wands assuming they were properly prepped when they were originally framed. Then they cast the obliviate imperius, and false memory charm spells using Lord Jugsons wand and return it to Harry. Harry then sneaks back into the trial and replaces all 3 wands a second after they were originally stolen.

Okay so in this scenario Hermoine is cleared of all charges, she and Draco can go back to being friends and Lord Jugson is put into Azkhbahn. Its a tall order but I think the boy who lived can manage it with some authorial fiat and a time machine. I'm hard pressed to think of any way it could turn out better.

Comment author: Pringlescan 10 February 2012 08:51:22PM *  5 points [-]

Cross posting what I wrote on TV Tropes

'm pretty sure i've figured out quirrelmorts plan for harry and magical britian. To TLDR it for you guys, hes going to train harry as a caesar, and use harry as a figurehead/puppet to force magical britian into a war of conquest with the rest of the magical world, probably selling it as a world wide war on dark wizards. Then once england owns the wizard world, they own the entire world since you can't fight invisible mind rapers.

Viewed in this context all of his actions start making sense. Harry is a very well known figurehead and a natural leader for magical Britannia to unite behind. Suddenly quirrelmorts speech of uniting magical Brittan under one person (harry) makes sense, once you've imbued all the power into a single leader its a lot easier to effectively run a war, as well as hurting harry's main competition for power. His first step is to go to Hogwarts, the most important place in england. He organizes it so that he can get away with blatantly improving the combat effectiveness of all the Hogwarts students there, developing and show casing the future generals and officers of the later wars. Also because those generals and officers will develop followers, all he has to do is gain influence over those people and he gains all of their followers as well. He also gets to develop his own Caesar, Harry. Hes already said that power in the magic world flows from strong wizards and their followers.

Then he convinces harry to undertake a war against the magical world. He points out that it will impossible to get rid of things such as the power of the noble houses and Azkabhan without taking power. He also points out to harry that if he wants to raise the living standards of the muggle world he will need a united magical world behind him, something that he will be unable to do by peaceful means since he will first need to exterminate all of the dark wizards. With both harry and quirrelmort on the same side with technology they would be able to both curb stomp other countries and administer them effectively.

Then with Harry's participation, he puppet masters a civil war in another country and gets magical England to step in to save the country, and get harry/draco appointed/showcased as wonderful warriors. They then use this power to keep taking over more and more of the real power in england. Then you start administrating the new country as a vassal state, raise more recruits, get a bigger army, rinse and repeat until they own the magical world. Then with the magical world united they own the muggle world since lets face it, you can't fight a foe that can turn invisible and mind rape your leaders.

And of course since england is ruling the world as an empire, and harry is ruling the world as caesar, and quirrelmort has his hooks into harry, quirrelmort now rules the world. Or at least thats what my plan wold be if I were quirrelmort.

Also on rita skeeter, they either memory charmed her into believing everything herself, or imperiused her into doing so, or simply used the polyjuice potion to turn it in themselves. My money would be memory charming her because it would be the most practical reliable way of getting her to believe everything, writing an authentic article and convincing her editor to run it the next day as the headliner.

Comment author: Pringlescan 06 July 2011 10:21:04PM -2 points [-]

Also I hate to be one of those people screaming, 'UPDATE UPDATE' but does anyone who has been following this longer then me have any clue when the next update is coming? There's nothing in the author's notes and there has been over a month long delay from the last posting.

Comment author: Pringlescan 03 July 2011 03:43:25AM *  1 point [-]

I'm sorry in advance if someone already has mentioned these ideas but I'm not sorting through 1000+ comments to find out

Quirrel/Voldemorts ultimate goal with battlemagic is to teach the students of Hogwarts how to be more useful soldiers in an army to be lead by Harry. The purpose of the three armies is obviously a continuation of this plan, with the goal of teaching harry to be a good general, giving Harry a platform to develop a cult of personality around himself (an important thing to have for any aspiring Dark Lord), and finding and developing lieutenants for Harry. However I'm not sure yet as to Voldemort's plan for the army and Harry as its leader.

Harry could either be magically dominated and used as a figurehead OR Harry could be puppet-mastered into leading the army of his own volition. One likely scenario is to raise the Death Eaters again forcing Harry to raise his army in opposition. Then he has harry publicly defeat voldemort, followed by an immediate introduction of an outside existential threat, probably war with magical Russia or something, I will use Russia as a placeholder for this existential threat. This forces harry to pardon and enlist the death eaters and conquer magical Russia to end the war. During the war with Russia some sort of system of political thought is introduced which requires them to conquer even more countries, like how Communism advocated World Wide Revolution. Perhaps based upon science and rationality governing instead of tradition, with Harry as a de facto benevolent Dictator.

Upon victory against Russia they enlist their fallen foes and with the new Political system as an excuse continue to spark wars to conquest other nations until they rule the magical world and therefore the muggle world as well, after all no one will be able to stop them from imperiusing anyone they damn well want to.

tldr - Step 1 - Turn Hogwarts students into useful soldiers via teaching battle magic, Step 2 - Manipulate Harry into raising an army, Step 3 - Control Harry via magic/manipulation and use the army to conquer the world.

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