Comment author: NancyLebovitz 14 April 2010 04:19:31PM 1 point [-]

I mean that since the men are strongly motivated by their own benefit, they are not likely to be careful in evaluating the effects of their actions on women.

I'm not sure about censoring, but I'd be dubious about a discussion of teenagers which didn't include any input from them, or where the adults insisted that their interpretation of teenagers' experience was complete and correct no matter what teenagers said.

Comment author: Punk 14 April 2010 04:31:46PM *  1 point [-]

they are not likely to be careful in evaluating the effects of their actions on women.

But this is not a bias. The word "bias" means a factual error. Cruel or other-harming behavior is not described by the word "bias". Unless you think that there is motivated cognition rather than explicit cruelty going on.

But it seems that the effect of debate is to challenge bias, whereas the effect of censoring debate is to perpetuate it.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 14 April 2010 03:51:15PM 3 points [-]

If it were a discussion of "this is how human sexual attraction works", with a really general overview (that is, at least including a wide range of women's experiences as well as men's) rather than a "this is a discussion which is biased by men who are trying to get particular outcomes and are convinced that what's good for them is good for women or at least harmless to them", it could be useful..

Just to increase the range, check out Yes Means Yes. I'm not saying I agree with every word of it, but at least it's about attraction and consent mostly from a female point of view.

Comment author: Punk 14 April 2010 04:02:00PM 0 points [-]

which is biased by men

What do you mean by "biased"? Do you mean, there is some factual error that has been made? Or do you mean "Men will benefit from the information being disseminated here"?

(that is, at least including a wide range of women's experiences as well as men's)

Why does this matter? Would it be censorship-worthy if one had a discussion about how teenagers experience life without also discussion how people of other ages do?

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 14 April 2010 01:06:16PM *  -2 points [-]

To the PUA enthusiasts.....

If there are women who have been complimented for their intelligence, but are mysteriously not interested in LW, you could try insulting them until you find a few who are willing to accept that this community is a wonderful place they should pay attention to.

And maybe you can take charge of some of the women who are already in your life so that they'll post. After all, they prefer dominant men.

Comment author: Punk 14 April 2010 03:09:20PM *  -1 points [-]

I don't see why lack of easily offendable women on LW is seen as a problem that needs to be solved. As has been said before, the more people you let in, the more the discussion will regress to the internet mean.

There is a matter of truth at stake here: just how does human sexual interaction actually work? Is there a "double standard" at play, of the "Homo Hypocritus type involved? What does that tell us about the potential commons problems that the human race might have? What does it tell us about how the sexual male-female interaction could be improved for all?

These are interesting and important questions for rationalists, and it is a shame to kow-tow a small minority for whom the truth is just too painful.

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