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Ideological Turing Test Domains

3 Raelifin 02 August 2015 01:45PM

Hello! I'm running an Ideological Turing Test for my local rationality group, and I'm wondering what ideology to use (and what prompts to use for that ideology). Palladias has previously run a number of tests on Christianity, but ideally I'd find something that was a good 50/50 split for my community, and I don't expect to find many Christians in my local group. The original test was proposed for politics, which seems like a reasonable first-guess, but I also worry that my group has too many liberals and not enough conservatives to make that work well.

What I plan to do is email the participants who have agreed to write entries asking how they stand on a number of issues (politics, religion, etc) and then use the issue that is most divisive within the population. To do that, however, I'll need a number of possible issues. Do any of you have good ideas for ITT domains other than religion or politics, particularly for rationalists?

(Side questions:

I've been leaning towards using the name "Caplan Test" instead of "Ideological Turing Test". I think the current name is too unwieldy and gives the wrong impression. Does the ITT name seem worth keeping?

Also, would anyone on here be interested in submitting entries to my test and/or seeing results?)

Comment author: Raelifin 27 October 2014 06:14:20PM 27 points [-]

Survey completed! Making a note here: Huge success!

Meetup : Cleveland Ohio Meetup

0 Raelifin 23 July 2013 06:51PM

Discussion article for the meetup : Cleveland Ohio Meetup

WHEN: 28 July 2013 02:00:00PM (-0400)

WHERE: Gypsy Bean Coffee, Cleveland, OH

Time and place are tentative. Discussion is occurring on the cleveland mailing list: less-wrong-cleveland@googlegroups.com

Discussion article for the meetup : Cleveland Ohio Meetup

Comment author: Raelifin 22 December 2012 02:24:15PM 0 points [-]

The Cleveland meetup was canceled due to people being busy and sick.

Comment author: Raelifin 22 December 2012 02:23:37PM 0 points [-]

This meetup was canceled due to people being sick and busy.

Meetup : Less Wrong: Cleveland

1 Raelifin 06 December 2012 03:27AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Less Wrong: Cleveland

WHEN: 09 December 2012 03:00:23PM (-0500)

WHERE: Cleveland

Four of us will be meeting on the 9th. If you're interested and in the area, send an email!

Discussion group: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/less-wrong-cleveland

Location to be decided.

Discussion article for the meetup : Less Wrong: Cleveland

Comment author: gjm 13 November 2012 10:52:14AM 1 point [-]

Beginning it with "here are the people you're likely to hear about" doesn't exactly dispel the, um, phyggish impression some people have of LW. For that matter, if anyone's going to have difficulty participating in (or making sense of) your discussions without knowing those names then the phyggish impression shouldn't be dispelled.

Comment author: Raelifin 13 November 2012 03:42:21PM *  1 point [-]

(Primary author, here.)

This is a good point, and obviously there's a lot of tension between phyggish meme-sharing/codewords and a desire to be more inclusive and not so scary. An earlier draft actually made it an explicit point to talk about the perception of phyg, as I think it's one of the biggest PR issues we have.

The pamphlet was written to try and help people not feel so overwhelmed by coming into a space so loaded down with jargon, but you're right that it perpetuates the problem. I encourage people to copy and edit this, perhaps tailoring it to the level of jargon and the specific goals of your group.

Here's a link to a non-pdf version.

In response to Does My Vote Matter?
Comment author: Raelifin 05 November 2012 06:05:43PM 2 points [-]

voting is rational if you...

This is a minor objection, but voting can't be rational and it can't be irrational. Voting isn't a system of thinking. You may want to rephrase your argument as "voting is optimal if you..."

Comment author: Raelifin 05 November 2012 06:12:09PM 0 points [-]

And as a followup, even if you're correct about the probabilities (which I'm not sure you are), it's not intrinsically optimal to vote, even if you care about the outcome. One must always weigh the opportunity cost of an action, and the opportunity cost depends on the person.

If a superintelligent AI is being built and an equal amount of Yudkowsky's time will decrease the extinction probability by the same amount as voting would increase candidate X's election probability, then it's clearly not optimal for Yudkowsky to vote, because the neg-utility of extinction far outweighs the neg-utility of an unfortunate election.

In response to Does My Vote Matter?
Comment author: Raelifin 05 November 2012 06:05:43PM 2 points [-]

voting is rational if you...

This is a minor objection, but voting can't be rational and it can't be irrational. Voting isn't a system of thinking. You may want to rephrase your argument as "voting is optimal if you..."

Comment author: Raelifin 30 October 2012 03:49:41AM 1 point [-]

Hello northern Ohio! My name is Max, and I recently moved up here from Columbus. I've attended a few LW meetups before, and would enjoy getting a regular thing happening in Cleveland. ^_^

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