Comment author: Florian_Dietz 03 October 2016 08:22:13PM *  3 points [-]

Is there an effective way for a layman to get serious feedback on scientific theories?

I have a weird theory about physics. I know that my theory will most likely be wrong, but I expect that some of its ideas could be useful and it will be an interesting learning experience even in the worst case. Due to the prevalence of crackpots on the internet, nobody will spare it a glance on physics forums because it is assumed out of hand that I am one of the crazy people (to be fair, the theory does sound pretty unusual).

Comment author: Raemon 04 October 2016 04:27:39PM *  0 points [-]

If you are serious about it, consider paying a physicist to discuss it with you:

https://aeon.co/ideas/what-i-learned-as-a-hired-consultant-for-autodidact-physicists

I work in theoretical physics, specifically quantum gravity. In my field, we all get them: the emails from amateur physicists who are convinced that they have solved a big problem, normally without understanding the problem in the first place. Like many of my colleagues, I would reply with advice, references and lecture notes. And, like my colleagues, I noticed that the effort was futile. The gap was too large; these were people who lacked even the basic knowledge to work in the area they wanted to contribute to. With a feeling of guilt, I stopped replying.

Then they came back into my life. I had graduated and moved to another job, then another. I’d had temporary contracts of between three months and five years. It normally works out somehow, but sometimes there’d be a gap between the end of one contract and the start of the next. This happened again last year. I have kids, and rent to pay, so I tried to think of creative ways to capitalise on 15 years of research experience.

As long as you have funding, quantum gravity is basic research at its finest. If not, it’s pretty much useless knowledge. Who, I wondered, could possibly need someone who knows the ins and outs of attempts to unify the forces and unravel the quantum behaviour of space-time? I thought of all the theories of everything in my inbox. And I put up a note on my blog offering physics consultation, including help with theory development: ‘Talk to a physicist. Call me on Skype. $50 per 20 minutes.’

Comment author: Raemon 29 September 2016 02:16:06PM 1 point [-]

In the spirit of quibbling over the 5% I disagreed with:

I recently started reading Rationality: From AI to Zombies (the compilation of the sequences into an eBook). It comes with a good introduction outlining some of the weaknesses of the sequences.

Overall I'm not sure it's as FUN to read the sequences in book form than in a mad archive binge link-splosion, but it's more convenient.

Comment author: Elo 28 September 2016 11:36:07PM -2 points [-]

you can identify troll because it's in the order of -10. not -3.

Comment author: Raemon 29 September 2016 02:13:21PM -3 points [-]

The fact that all of our posts were downvoted by -3 seems like evidence against this.

Comment author: Elo 28 September 2016 11:23:51PM -2 points [-]

Because it has the word trump in the title. even if most if it isn't about trump.

Comment author: Raemon 28 September 2016 11:30:56PM -3 points [-]

I'm skeptical of that because DanArmak's post also has 3 downvotes, which seems thoroughly inoffensive.

Comment author: Raemon 28 September 2016 11:07:57PM -3 points [-]

Are the downvotes here because Politics, or because our mysterious downvoting ghost?

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Comment author: Document 14 September 2016 04:20:16PM 0 points [-]

How did it go? It seems like it would create some unsettling ambiguity in the "happy" ending.

Comment author: Raemon 14 September 2016 10:17:48PM 1 point [-]

I did not end up using it, although I periodically stumble upon this again and still think it's a neat way of thinking

Comment author: ChristianKl 07 September 2016 09:52:07AM 1 point [-]

Even in spaces where truth seeking is valued, time is valuable as well. When I sit together with a bunch of rationalists and the discussion is about what to cook for dinner there no benefit to waiting very long and it's quite okay when someone makes a reasonable decision to cook in a cached way.

Comment author: Raemon 07 September 2016 02:34:25PM 1 point [-]

Agreed.

I think I should probably reverse my original statement to "where intelligence/creativity/truthseeking is important" (similar sentence but narrows it down the focus - group intelligence and creativity usually don't matter for picking food, unless several people care about getting unusual/interesting food and roughly agree with each other on what kind to get)

The metanorm of "figure out what norm to use" is still important. But I do still assert that "the 12 second rule is a norm that should be used much more often i.e. at all in most rationalist discussion spaces"

Comment author: ChristianKl 06 September 2016 06:54:59PM 3 points [-]

Deciding when to speak is an important topic, but I'm not sure whether this is a good norm. If you train the habit to always think before answering it's hard express your views in social contexts where other people don't play according to the norm. I myself have to train the ability to respond more quickly.

There an art of speaking when one has something to say that contributes but also being silent when silence would be more valuable because it allows other people to speak or simply to think more.

Comment author: Raemon 06 September 2016 08:03:58PM *  2 points [-]

There's certainly important meta-norms of "figure out the right norm to use for the current situation", and this is not meant to be overwhelmingly conclusive. But some notes:

1) I recommend this specifically for spaces where truth seeking is shared value, or where collective intelligence/creativity is particularly important. I'd be surprised if it took root in other contexts and wouldn't recommend it there. Sometimes you are playing the game of "fun, interesting banter" or some-such (even within rationalist spaces) and then you'll be doing different things.

2) Remember, part of the norm is "when you see people begin to talk without giving themselves or others time to think, interrupt them and say 'Hey, can we each have a chance to think first so we don't all anchor on one idea?'". If you're in a group where truth seeking, collective intelligence or creativity is important (even a non-rationalist space), I think this serves as good practice for being quick and assertive as well as polite, all while also strengthening meta-norms of "truth seeking is important." If you're including this part, I'd be surprised if it dampened your ability to quickly express your ideas when the situation demands it.

(I added some clarification to the original post based on this)

But again, definitely use your judgement based on what kind of situation you're actually in.

Comment author: kilobug 06 September 2016 02:49:17PM 1 point [-]

Sounds like a good idea, but from a practical pov how do you count those 12 seconds ? I can count 12 seconds more or less accurately, but I can't do that as a background process while trying to think hard. Do you use some kind of a timer/watch/clock ? Or the one asking the question counts on his finger ?

I know the "12 seconds" isn't a magical number, if it ends up being "10" or "15" it won't change much, but if you give a precise number (not just "think before answering") you've to somehow try to respect it.

Comment author: Raemon 06 September 2016 05:18:37PM 0 points [-]

"12 seconds" was chosen mostly to be easier to remember. I think it's totally fine if people end up taking 10 or 15. (If people tend to get fixated on the number 12 we can come up with some other name, but so far "think before answering" had seemed less memorable than "12 second rule")

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 06 September 2016 01:39:11AM 2 points [-]

I think it would be useful to be more explicit. I think that as currently structured it is easy to read the several reasons being the same, and then just remember one. Indeed, when I came to the second group reason, I felt a little confused as to whether this was the same or not. Putting them together explicitly says that they are different, but also putting them next to each other makes it obvious. If you think that one reason is much more important, maybe the others should go. Or maybe they should be introduced as merely "another reason." It jumped out at me that you were promoting this as a group practice, but had given an individual reason.

Comment author: Raemon 06 September 2016 01:44:51AM 0 points [-]

Thanks. I ended up putting them under the TLDR section. (I tend to find that once I make a TLDR section it turns out the rest of the post wasn't especially necessary. Do you think the rest of the story is helpful?)

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