Comment author: RainbowSpacedancer 29 September 2016 11:45:43AM 4 points [-]

When pushed on why Anthony Magnabosco is out interviewing people he responds with, "I like talking to people and finding out what they believe." True enough, but disingenuous. He presents himself as a seeker of the truth and his root goal is he is out to change minds. If the obtaining the truth was your primary motivation, street interviews is an incredibly inefficient method. The interviews come off as incredibly patronising. Questions such as, "If I gave you evidence about a biblical contradiction, and I'm not saying I do, but if I did, would you change your mind?" Of course you have a contradiction up your sleeve.

Honesty and effectiveness appear to be conflicting goals in street epistemology.

In response to Jocko Podcast
Comment author: RainbowSpacedancer 07 September 2016 07:35:14AM *  1 point [-]

To balance the criticism with some praise, in addition to some of the great things you have mentioned, there are two worthwhile things about the Jocko podcast that are not explicit in your post that I want to highlight.

1) Jocko embodies growth mindset.

2) Much of Jocko's discipline comes because he has trained to become comfortable experiencing discomfort. Once you've done many painful things your fear of them falls and your sense of self-efficacy rises making it easier complete future painful goals.

Comment author: moridinamael 06 September 2016 10:15:10PM *  2 points [-]

"Discipline is freedom" summarizes the attitude that if you have trained yourself to wake up early, stay on task, exercise regularly, etc., etc., then you now have the freedom to do a variety of things that you would not otherwise be able to do. By having the discipline to exercise, you now have the ability to freely use a more fit body, by waking up early, you have extra hours at your disposal, and so on.

To address your first question, I think Jocko would probably say: "If you form an intention to do something, and you don't do it, then you are mentally weak. The first thing to do is then to decide not to be mentally weak."

In abstruse lesswrongspeak, this would like something like: "It is most important to form a self-governing narrative of the form 'a mentally strong person would execute on their intentions regardless of transient impulses or mental resistance, and I commit with utmost resolution to being a mentally strong person'. Then you must continuously monitor your daily activities for adherence to this commitment and to this narrative-mentality."

Ironically, the Less Wrong deconstructionist approach of breaking the self up into multiple agents and carefully finding a minimum-enthalpy path through wantspace is itself antithetical to forming such a "simplistic" self-governing narrative, even if possessing and maintaining such a narrative were more effective.

In response to comment by moridinamael on Jocko Podcast
Comment author: RainbowSpacedancer 07 September 2016 07:33:06AM 0 points [-]

So,

  1. Make the decision and strongly commit to being a mentally strong person

  2. Continuously monitor your actions to ensure they are the actions of a mentally strong person

  3. Maintain this (for weeks/months/years?) until a new self-identity is formed.

If I've misrepresented something point it out, but this looks to me like a recipe for failure. It's missing fundamental parts of the human experience. People most often fail at their goals because of conflicting short and long term desires, forgetfulness and existing habits. Jocko doesn't adequately take that into account. Making a decision is useful - you start preparing for the new challenge, (e.g. If I'm going to wake up at 5AM I better get breakfast ready the night before...) and there'll be some self consistency effect with the newly formed intention. There's two obvious problems,

a) It's massively mentally energy intensive. It's hard to choose the kale over the donut or work over reddit. Temptations don't disappear after you've decided not to pursue them. You have to decide over and over again throughout the day not to chase them. Decision fatigue is a thing.

b) Humans forget. Anyone that has done any meditation will be familiar with the experience of not being able to sustain attention on an object for more than a few moments despite the most earnest effort. Even if we didn't have all the other things we need to think about every day to occupy our minds, maintaining consistent attention is an impossible goal.

Jocko's framing that discipline is a decision represents an incremental improvement over Nike's 'Just do It'.

In response to Jocko Podcast
Comment author: RainbowSpacedancer 06 September 2016 09:54:09PM *  2 points [-]

...it is valuable to have an example of somebody who reliably executes on his the philosophy of "Decide to do it, then do it." If you find that you didn't do it, then you didn't truly decide to do it. In any case, your own choice or lack thereof is the only factor. "Discipline is freedom." If you adopt this habit as your reality, it become true.

It's possible I'm getting to confused with the language here but I've struggled to apply this advice in my own life. I'll decide that I'm not going to snack at work anymore and then find myself snacking anyway once the time comes. It seems to reflect a naivete in regards to how willpower and habits work.

It sounds good and I've listened to 4 episodes now and Jocko doesn't seem to elaborate on how exactly this process is supposed to work. What is the difference between deciding and truly deciding? What is the habit of 'discipline is freedom' and how does one adopt it as their reality?

I come away from the podcast inspired for a few hours but with no lasting change.

Comment author: RainbowSpacedancer 20 May 2016 05:10:19AM *  2 points [-]

CGP Grey follows a cycle that repeats -> (40 min work - 7 min break - 40 min work - 20 min break). I think he mentions it in here somewhere but I don't know the exact time. It seems probable that the most appropriate length and cycle for an individual should be based on their attention span and recovery.

Comment author: TheAltar 19 April 2016 03:40:25PM 0 points [-]

This seems very useful. Thank you for posting it.

Out of all of the blogs, which ones do you prioritize in reading first? It seems like there are far too many to always read all of them.

Comment author: RainbowSpacedancer 20 April 2016 03:07:16AM *  5 points [-]

If you just wanted blogs (i.e. no twitter+tumblr) the following are blogs I personally like that post frequently in rough order of how useful/insightful I have found them,

  • mindingourway.com
  • slatestarcodex.com
  • srconstantin.wordpress.com
  • thingofthings.wordpress.com
  • malcolmocean.com
  • agentyduck.blogspot.com
  • https://blog.jaibot.com/
  • lukemuehlhauser.com
  • meteuphoric.wordpress.com

There are a few that are very infrequent but very good when they do post,

Comment author: RainbowSpacedancer 19 April 2016 01:38:38AM *  11 points [-]

Until LessWrong 2.0 comes out, this is how I've been staying in touch with the Rationalist Diaspora. It took about an hour to set up and I can now see almost everything in the one place.

I've been using an RSS reader (I use feedly) to collate RSS feeds from these lists,

Rationist Blogs,

https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/List_of_Blogs

https://www.reddit.com/r/RationalistDiaspora/

Effective Altruist Blogs,

http://www.stafforini.com/blog/effective-altruism-blogs/

Rationalist Tumblers,

http://yxoque.tumblr.com/RationalistMasterlist

And using this twitter to RSS tool for these LessWrong Twitters,

http://lesswrong.com/lw/d92/less_wrong_on_twitter/

This system is unsatisfying in a number of ways the two most obvious to me being 1) I don't know of any way to integrate the Rationalists on Facebook into this system and 2) Upvotes from places that use them like LW or r/rational aren't displayed. Nevertheless it is still much simpler for me to be notified of new material. If anyone has suggestions on improvements or wants to share how they follow the Diaspora that'd be most welcome.

Comment author: Huluk 26 March 2016 12:55:37AM *  26 points [-]

[Survey Taken Thread]

By ancient tradition, if you take the survey you may comment saying you have done so here, and people will upvote you and you will get karma.

Let's make these comments a reply to this post. That way we continue the tradition, but keep the discussion a bit cleaner.

Comment author: RainbowSpacedancer 29 March 2016 11:45:06AM 35 points [-]

I have taken the survey.

Comment author: 2ZctE 22 March 2016 06:54:11AM *  8 points [-]

t;dr how do you cope with death?

My dog has cancer in his liver and spleen, and learning this has strongly exacerbated some kind of predisposition towards being vulnerable to depression. He's an old dog so it probably wouldn't have changed his life expectancy THAT much, but it's still really sad. If you're not a pet person this might be counterintuitive, but to me it's losing a friend, and the things people say to me are mostly unhelpful. Which is why I'm posting it here specifically: the typical coping memes about doggy heaven or death as some profoundly important part of Nature are ruined for me. So I wanted to ask how people here deal with this sort of thing. Especially on the cognitive end of things, what types of frames and self talk you used. I do already know the basics, like exercise and diet and meditation, but I sure wouldn't mind a new insight on getting myself to actually do that stuff when I'm this down.

I've thought about cryopreserving him, but even if that were a good way to use the money I just don't think I can afford it. All I'll have is an increasingly vague and emotionally distant memory, I guess, and it sucks. I've been regretting not valuing him more during his peak health, as well, although maybe I'd always feel guilty for anything short of having been perfect.

I've been thinking a lot about chapter 12 of HPMOR, and trying play with and video and pamper him while I can. I don't want to say "fuck, it's too late" about anything else. It's the best thing I can think of right now.

This whole business with seeking Slytherin's secrets... seemed an awful lot like the sort of thing where, years later, you would look back and say, 'And that was where it all started going wrong.'

And he would wish desperately for the ability to fall back through time and make a different choice...

Wish granted. Now what?

Comment author: RainbowSpacedancer 23 March 2016 08:13:01AM *  2 points [-]

It's unlikely that someone is going to say something that will take away your pain. Death sucks. Losing someone you love sucks, and sadness is a normal reaction to that. There are emotionally healthy ways to deal with grief. Give yourself more self-care than you think you need throughout this process to counter the planning fallacy and better to err on the side of too much than too little.

If you do find yourself depressed, seeking professional help is not a sign of weakness and I would encourage you to seek it out. Summoning motivation can be an impossible effort when you are depressed and sometimes someone outside your un-motivated brain is the best thing to stop you from falling down an emotional spiral. If money or something else prevents you from doing that, there are other things you can try here and some more here.

Comment author: ChristianKl 24 February 2016 10:16:01AM 2 points [-]

Yes. Sorry for the lack of clarity.

The problem isn't simply clarity. The frame of mind of treating a conversation with your friends as PR is not useful for getting your friends to trust you and positively respond to what you are saying. If you do that, it's no wonder that someone thinks you are a Straw Vulcan because that mindset is communicating that vibe.

That said, let's focus on your message. You aren't telling people that you are using rationality to make you life better. You are telling people that you read about rationality. That doesn't show a person the value of rationality.

If I want to talk about the value of rationality I could take about how I'm making predictions in my daily life and the value that brings me. I can talk about how great it is to play double crux with other rationalists and actually have them change their mind.

If I want to talk about the effect it has on friends, I can talk about how a fellow rationalist who thought he only cared about the people he's interacting with used rationality techniques to discover that he actually cares about rescuing children in the third world from dying from malaria.

If I want to talk about society then I can talk about how the Good Judgement project outperforms CIA analysts who have access to classified information by 30%. I can talk about how better predictions of the CIA before the Iraq war might have stopped the war and therefore really matter a great deal. Superforcasting is a great book for having those war-stories.

Comment author: RainbowSpacedancer 26 February 2016 06:44:25PM *  0 points [-]

The problem isn't simply clarity.

In this case it is. I believe I have been less than clear again.

The frame of mind of treating a conversation with your friends as PR is not useful for getting your friends to trust you and positively respond to what you are saying.

Agreed - but I've never done that. The conversations are ordinary in that I share rationality in the same way I would share a book or movie I've enjoyed. It is "I enjoy X, you should try it I bet you would enjoy it too" as opposed to, "I want to spread X and my friends are good targets for that." I literally meant I relabeled an ordinary conversation as PR, not that I was in the spread rationality mindset. My brain did a thing where,

'I'm having trouble sharing rationality with friends in a way that doesn't happen with my other interests. I bet other rationalists have similar problems. I wonder if there is any PR material on LW that might help with this.'

... and boom my brain labels it as a PR problem. I'm trying to not get caught up in the words here, do you follow my meaning?

Your recommendations on talking about the value rationality brings me look good. Thank you for them.

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