Meetup : LW Vienna Meetup #3

0 Ratcourse 30 May 2013 06:02PM

Discussion article for the meetup : LW Vienna Meetup #3

WHEN: 15 June 2013 03:00:00PM (+0200)

WHERE: Universitätsstraße 7, 1010 Wien

Rationality goes University!! - meetup at the NIG, room 2G on the second floor, Universitätsstraße 7, 1010 Wien Viliam Bur will be talking on "being specific" and Gunther Greindl on what constitutes evidence. Newcomers welcome. FB event: https://www.facebook.com/events/483142041754571/

Discussion article for the meetup : LW Vienna Meetup #3

Comment author: Ratcourse 16 May 2013 09:52:58AM 6 points [-]

Did my best to get Cat to come to Vienna. Applied for C-FAR minicamp. Publicly precommited to doing 4 papers or wouldn't go out on weekend. Have started using music when doing non-important work (raises happiness, minimal work impact). Started using rewards to make myself do work (after a bout of work watch a short tv series or something).

Comment author: diegocaleiro 06 May 2013 03:36:33PM *  1 point [-]

Yes, I know, what I don't like is just that people think it is the author's burden ( [1]on a blog, [2]when giving advice, [3]with good intentions, [4]knowing from the beggining that the topic will make him massively downvoted) to cite every single instance, as if this was a Masters or PHD thesis.
This is sufficiently dis-encouraging that it makes it simply not worth it. After your request, I did the easy thing, saying "From memory, I read this, interacted with these people etc... and after that much enquiry, having read the sequences etc... here is what I have to say" I would not do the complicated thing, which is to transform the entire post, which has no intention to be academic, into an academic writing. You can't be academic when you want to suggest what to do, that is not what science informs you about. It informs you about how people evaluate each other. Then one can concoct suggestions of how to behave when you want to be evaluated as an X.

So yes, I do agree with you that the author should give some reason for the reader to believe he is saying things that relate to reality. I disagree that for every topic there is enough incentive for the author to make it extremely accurate and precise, since I think I'd be snipped and shot writing about these things in this tone even if I did everything right.

From my perspective, this is what the conscious experience of deciding to write this looks like: "People in Lesswrong self-describe as mildly autistic. Great, I may help with that a little. People in Lesswrong, like all people, have some prejudices, that are not compatible with thousands of pages, and thousands of conversations and interactions I had over the years with people. Let me use these facts to make a final text to Main before I start writing my Masters Thesis, and go to Berkeley to later on go to Oxford. Then I think: I'll be paying about 50 karma points for this post, maybe 10 extra people will dislike me, but I may help about a few dozens to have a more complete model of mating. If two relationships become better out of it, the reputational cost I payed will have been worth it. No one else who read as much as I did about this wants to take that many arrows in Lesswrong, so it is counterfactually relevant that I do so. Also, I care, personally, intrinsically, about killing the Status Gospel, so I'll write it, specially in view of the recent 454 comments, specially Nyan's. Given this will be my last text for a while, the reputational cost will subside in the meanwhile, making this the highest expected value moment for writing it. Then I write a few classic diclaimers. This is the end of step one. Step two is thinking very few people will actually read linked material, so I must link only the current books on mating intelligence, something with high status within Leswrong (Eliezer's separation of Cognitive/Evolutionary ) and something really accessible, Buss's video.
If people are overwhelmed by an ocean of information they'll just either remain having their true rejection, or else they'll just believe what I say based on number of sources. Both are undesirable, and putting many sources would be a LOT of work I'm unwilling to do to just help the few who will be helped. Instead, I'll just say, if it stops being helpful, stop using it, and pay 20 more karma for it."

There, a window into my mind. Maybe I'm completely nuts, and over-think too much. That is my after the fact reconstruction of how I thought about the efficacy of this post. If people think like me, they feel like paying a big enough burden just to have to reason through this before posting, and don't think they should provide citations for every piece of advice they'd like to give to a subset of a community that may actually need it. If you think of it, advices are not the kinds of things that require citations, they require compatibility with reality (where book citations work) and goals (which are the 4 states).

Comment author: Ratcourse 06 May 2013 04:30:24PM 6 points [-]

Is this really want went trough your mind or is it a rationalization?

I can't understand. LW is obviously important to you. You know this is a touchy topic. Why not provide sources (who's burden is it if not the author's?) and turn this into an amazing post? If you have sources for everything that you claim this is an amazing work. If not, it's worse than useless: it imprints wrong thoughts that will hang around for a while.

I don't understand.

Comment author: ChristianKl 06 May 2013 11:01:52AM 10 points [-]

There are a lot of people on the internet who tell just so-stories without empirical backing about human mating.

If you want to convince people that a certain believe is a misconception, provide citation to the studies that showed that your point is true. If you don't cite studies for your points it's hard for a reader to know whether you are just expressing flawed internet evolutionary psychology or whether your claims are in line with the claims that scientists who study evolutionary psychology make.

Comment author: Ratcourse 06 May 2013 01:45:37PM *  0 points [-]

Agreed. Downvoted original post because of lack of sources.

In response to Antijargon Project
Comment author: Ratcourse 05 May 2013 06:02:34PM 7 points [-]

Maybe this should be in the Open Thread?

Nonetheless, I feel that if you can't explain it without using jargon, that gives some evidence for you not understanding it in the first place (whatever it is).

Comment author: Ratcourse 27 April 2013 05:39:40PM 1 point [-]

What is your goal? Why would get a PhD help you meet it? Is your goal to have a PhD?

Meetup : Vienna meetup #3

1 Ratcourse 18 April 2013 08:06PM

Discussion article for the meetup : Vienna meetup #3

WHEN: 18 May 2013 04:00:00PM (+0200)

WHERE: Rathausstraße 6, 1010 Wien {Vienna, Austria}

Our own Villiam Bur will give a short lecture on which discussion will be focused. It is happening in the metalab. https://metalab.at/wiki/Lage

Discussion article for the meetup : Vienna meetup #3

Comment author: arundelo 16 April 2013 04:51:43AM 2 points [-]

Language note: Your first paragraph sounds like it means, "Under the name 'shminux', I started a blog [...]". It would be better to say, "Like shminux, I started a blog", or "As shminux did, I started a blog". (Assuming I take your meaning correctly.)

Comment author: Ratcourse 16 April 2013 05:03:32AM 0 points [-]

Thank you, edited.

Comment author: Ratcourse 16 April 2013 04:28:24AM *  0 points [-]

As did shimnux, I started a blog to much of the same effects.

I also got into habitrpg, this has been, easily, the best thing I ever did to install new habit; highly recommended.

Comment author: Ratcourse 15 April 2013 04:08:49PM 2 points [-]

I'd like to know why this is getting downvoted. I think you are making a serious point in a short, funny manner. I actually preferred this to your longer posts.

I've seen insane-er stuff argued seriously before.

Upvoted.

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