Comment author: knb 19 September 2012 10:11:37AM *  1 point [-]

You're actually citing evidence that supports my position. Yudkowsky makes it explicit in his essay that he didn't "get it" before, but that he does now. That goes against The Last Psychiatrist's claim that everyone (everyone!) makes decisions as thought they believe in God

Comment author: RomanDavis 19 September 2012 11:45:34AM *  -1 points [-]

Not literally God, just faith in the idea that bad things above a certain threshold somehow aren't allowed to happen to you. Sometimes the power is thought to be in some other, real or unreal entity, like the state or the fed or democracy or science or whatever. And sometimes it's not. It's just a bias, floating around in your thoughts in ways you aren't terribly aware of.

He wasn't generalizing from one example. He cites many example of people talking and thinking like this.

I'm going to go ahead and take his side on this one. It's just a bias. It's a cognitive malfunction of your brain that you might be able to work your way around by reframing if you remain vigilantly aware of it, or you construct a formula (like an actuary would) and operate according to that formula with as little input from the relevant buggy software in your brain as possible, but the bias is still there. For the vast, vast, vast, majority of people that bias is here to stay.

Like scope sensitivity, I really don't think there's much fixing it (without upgrading the hardware) and I just basically don't believe people who think they have accomplished this via mental discipline. It's possible, but it seems extremely unlikely. What's more, a claim like that seems motivated by exactly the same kind of optimistic bias.

Comment author: knb 19 September 2012 05:33:27AM *  8 points [-]

I followed the link, and wow that was a bad article. After sampling some of the structureless, self-indulgent writing, I realized I've actually read a few posts from him before. My personal favorite is this, where he takes a break from rambling about some internet celebrity to explain that we are all sheeple for not turning widescreen monitors sideways.

But what makes The Last Psychiatrist really awful is that he pretends to be wise. One very easy way to establish oneself as Wise and Profound is to baldly make some seemingly self-contradictory or obviously false statement. It's important not to actually argue for this claim, simply make it, and sneer at anyone who disagrees. A great example:

What you don't understand consciously is that your judgment of risk is based on the fact that you believe in God, and this is even more true if you think you don't believe in God. I can sense your resistance to this idea because you think you don't believe in God, but sadly for your immortal soul, you do.

Heh, you think you don't believe in god? Think again, sheeple! The Last Psychiatrist doesn't need evidence, he just makes reality up as he goes.

Comment author: RomanDavis 19 September 2012 06:57:25AM -3 points [-]

In context it refers to the very same fallacy mentioned in Beyond the Reach of God just put into psychoanalytic terms. I understand if you dislike the style. I completely understand if you think psychoanalysis has a really shitty use of words, but that's really what he's saying, and you would have known if you were paying attention.

The point made in Beyond the Reach of God, that the universe can really hurt, kill and maim you without moral limit, that cancer isn't only allowed to happen to you in theory, but really to you, at any moment, that catastrophies like the holocaust, and the collapse of science in the middle east, and really can and do happen, is a real point that deserves to be made again and again. And again. And again.

Comment author: Eneasz 18 September 2012 10:50:25PM 0 points [-]

Alone points out that humans create institutions to make their environment safer, and then offload their own responsibilities onto these institutions. He accuses us all of shirking our Heroic Responsibility. I’m not sure this is fair. An individual human can only do so much. I’ve avoided vulnerability to a somewhat silly degree in the past (avoiding caring for others or owning much more than I can carry at a dead run… caring for too much makes you vulnerable). Turns out too much independence can be far more harmful than not enough, because individual humans are weak and small, and we can do things of Power only by combining our efforts. To do something noteworthy, we much focus on our specialty and trust others to do focus on theirs. To create a strong meta-individual, we cannot all be completely responsible for everything – we need some specialists in responsibility as well. Not every cell in the human body can fight off hostile invaders, most of them have other vital tasks.

Comment author: RomanDavis 19 September 2012 01:11:08AM 0 points [-]

Oh, I agree, at least to a certain extent. Don't be so green and blue. We really are shirking responsibility. If your morality has responsiblity as the highest virtue, than it might be bad to have a nanny state, but there a serious advantages to having one, such as, as you point out, specialization.

The libertarian in me says it'd be ideal to have a third party, like an advocacy group, or a religion or whatever, taking that responsibility for those who need it while the government did the minimum against fraud and such. But as long as people don't realize they're Beyond the Reach of God, that's going to have problem of it's own.

Comment author: prase 18 September 2012 09:16:34PM *  0 points [-]

frustrations I've had with people breaking out some people who break out

Looks like a typo.

Edit: when I am already at this, another typo:

absurdity hueristic

Comment author: RomanDavis 19 September 2012 01:05:01AM *  0 points [-]

Fixed both.

Comment author: bramflakes 18 September 2012 09:16:53PM 3 points [-]

I'm having trouble parsing this:

It definitely articulates some of the frustrations I've had with people breaking out some people who break out in a rash of Libertarianism over one (on the surface) silly law being passed and reported on and then not

Comment author: RomanDavis 19 September 2012 01:04:42AM 0 points [-]

Typo. Fixed.

Comment author: Eneasz 18 September 2012 10:13:03PM 1 point [-]

It's his standard writing style. It's not to everyone's taste, but I find it captivating. It creates a sort of mental soundscape that other ideas can echo off of.

Comment author: RomanDavis 19 September 2012 01:02:40AM 0 points [-]

Also, he makes the assumption that you've read other stuff by him, which creates a decent sized inferential distance. This alllows him to cover more material per post. This is a pretty common trope among blogs, including this one. But it can be confusing.

I tend to just ride the wave of confusion until something later clarifies it, but that makes skimming nearly impossible. I like styles that make me read every word as important as it helps me remember what I'm reading.

Comment author: Burrzz 12 November 2011 10:14:37AM 2 points [-]

Are there any LW groups/people in The Philippines? Like Manila area? TIA,

Comment author: RomanDavis 17 September 2012 01:42:21PM *  0 points [-]

Living in Tagbilaran on Bohol right now. If you can find other interested parties I might be able to make it to Manila.

Comment author: thomblake 12 September 2012 01:36:25PM 2 points [-]

How is it uncharitable? Eliezer is emptying his mind as recommended by Doctor Banzai. Not sure how it's a "critique" though.

Comment author: RomanDavis 14 September 2012 07:55:32AM *  1 point [-]
Comment author: RomanDavis 14 September 2012 07:54:13AM 6 points [-]

Users always have an idea that what they want is easy, even if they can't really articulate exactly what they do want. Even if they can give you requirements, chances are those will conflict – often in subtle ways – with requirements of others. A lot of the time, we wouldn't even think of these problems as "requirements" – they're just things that everyone expects to work in "the obvious way". The trouble is that humanity has come up with all kinds of entirely different "obvious ways" of doing things. Mankind's model of the universe is a surprisingly complicated one.

Jon Skeet

Comment author: RomanDavis 12 September 2012 10:23:16AM 6 points [-]

The forty twoth virtue of rationality is "Let me not become attached to sex I may not want"

I am running on corrupted the set of all possible fetishes.

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