In response to comment by [deleted] on Rationality Quotes September 2012
Comment author: DanArmak 07 September 2012 12:26:41PM *  5 points [-]

they have to pay them a lot, given that they select people at random and you're not allowed to refuse unless you are ill or something

Why so? Usually when people can't refuse to do a job, they're paid little, not a lot.

Comment author: RomanDavis 07 September 2012 12:46:06PM 2 points [-]

Like jury duty. Yeah. Why would it be different in Greece?

Comment author: DeeElf 06 September 2012 11:56:08PM 0 points [-]

The link "Crowley on Religious Experience" doesn't work. Why?

Comment author: RomanDavis 07 September 2012 01:22:06AM 1 point [-]
Comment author: CronoDAS 06 September 2012 02:40:09AM 2 points [-]

Yeah, you definitely have to beware of WEIRD psychological samples, too.

For example, there's a culture in which people don't experience the Müller-Lyer illusion - which has even been observed in people who have been blind from birth.

Comment author: RomanDavis 06 September 2012 02:56:47AM 0 points [-]

Which culture?

Comment author: CCC 04 September 2012 08:04:58AM 1 point [-]

You are correct; it is not terribly effective. However, any disproportionate response to a minor, or even an imagined, slight will reduce total unhappiness while discouraging others from hurting me.

Comment author: RomanDavis 04 September 2012 08:29:22AM 2 points [-]

No. I just told you. Sometimes a disproportionate response encourages other people to hurt you. That's actually part of the rule.

Comment author: CCC 04 September 2012 08:06:29AM 1 point [-]

That assumes that he is following a different rule from the rule that you are following. Does knowing that he will give you the 0.64 units prevent you from giving him the 0.8 units?

Comment author: RomanDavis 04 September 2012 08:26:43AM 0 points [-]

Yes. Depending on the circumstance, I might give him much less or much more and/ or choose a different course of action entirely.

Comment author: CCC 04 September 2012 07:57:32AM *  3 points [-]

...living on planet earth, giving you 80% of the crap you gave me seems about right.

Consider the consequences if everyone follows your rule. Assume someone gives you one unit of crap, possibly accidentally. You respond with 0.8 units. (It's hard to measure this precisely, but for the sake of argument let's assume that both of you manage to get it exactly right). He, in turn, responds with a further 0.64 units of crap. You respond to this with 0.512 units.

This is, of course, an infinite geometric series. The end result (over an infinite time period) is that you recieve 2 and 7/9 units of crap, while the other person recieves 2 and 2/9 units of crap. He recieves exactly 80% of the amount that you recieved, but you recieved over twice as much as you started out recieving.

If you return x% of the crap you get (for 0<x<100), and everyone else follows the same rule, then the total crap you recieve for every starting unit of crap is:

This is clearly minimized at x=0.

Comment author: RomanDavis 04 September 2012 08:01:29AM 0 points [-]

Or he could know I was going to give him the .512 units, from prior experience, and not give .64, which is the whole point.

Comment author: lukeprog 04 September 2012 05:03:49AM 2 points [-]

Those video experiments were very poorly produced. That's not the kind of video I have in mind. And video would of course only be there in addition to text.

Comment author: RomanDavis 04 September 2012 06:33:38AM 0 points [-]

I would have enjoyed and reccomended even poorly produced videos if you guys had bothered to extend them. I keep meaning to finish the last third or so of the sequences I haven't read, but their all over the place and it makes sense for me to start from the top. It'd be great if I could listen while doing other things. In my case, painting mostly, in other cases, probably cleaning, laundry, dishes, pet care and other activities that take up very low or no verbal mental resources.

Guys. It's not rocket science. You're smart. You have good content. Present it well. Or better. If you can't do that, hire someone who can. Get it out there. If you can't do that, hire someone who can.

Comment author: cata 04 September 2012 02:01:59AM *  4 points [-]

It's certainly at least worth trying, since among things to learn it may be both unusually instructive and unusually useful. Here's the big list of LW recommendations.

Comment author: RomanDavis 04 September 2012 02:10:30AM *  3 points [-]

Khan Academy has a programming course? I might try it.

Mostly, I want the easiest, most handholdy experience possible. Baby talk if necessary. Every experience informs me that programming is hard.

Comment author: cata 04 September 2012 01:02:46AM *  9 points [-]

Sure. The book is a sort of resource for learning the programming language Scheme, where the authors will present an illustrative piece of code and discuss different aspects of its behavior in the form of a question-and-answer dialogue with the reader.

In this case, the authors are discussing how to perform numerical comparisons using only a simple set of basic procedures, and they've come up with a method that has a subtle error. The lines above encourage the reader to figure out if and why it's an error.

With computers, it's really easy to just have a half-baked idea, twiddle some bits, and watch things change, but sometimes the surface appearance of a change is not the whole story. Remembering to "think first, then try" helps me maintain the right discipline for really understanding what's going on in complex systems. Thinking first about my mental model of a situation prompts questions like this:

  • Does my model explain the whole thing?
  • What would I expect to see if my model is accurate? Can I verify that I see those things?
  • Does my model make useful predictions about future behavior? Can I test that now, or make sure that when it happens, I gather the data I need to confirm it?

It's harder psychologically (and maybe too late) to ask those questions in retrospect if you try first, and then think, and if you skip asking them, then you'll suffer later.

Comment author: RomanDavis 04 September 2012 01:45:30AM 4 points [-]

You know, I've seen a lot on here about how programming relates to thinking relates to rationality. I wonder if it'd be worth trying and where/how I might get started.

Comment author: cata 03 September 2012 11:10:45PM *  15 points [-]

Does the order of the two terminal conditions matter? / Think about it.

Does the order of the two terminal conditions matter? / Try it out!

Does the order of the two previous answers matter? / Yes. Think first, then try.

  • Friedman and Felleisen, The Little Schemer
Comment author: RomanDavis 03 September 2012 11:19:06PM 4 points [-]

Could you unpack that for me?

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