Comment author: Slider 01 September 2016 01:22:58PM 0 points [-]

I think when the target of the agreement is a spin approach or topic that should just be avoided I think the common has a already established name - a taboo.

It would also seem that it would be against the journalists integrity to participate in such in a big extent. If a laweyr would be only allowed to sue if the verdict would be "not guilty" many would not take such an ararngement to fullfill proper legal investigation. But then again if you phrase it as a plea bargain it sounds a lot better. To the extent I would view this positively is that it woudl make a person willing to share details on a hot topic issue they would not otherwise share. It better for the issue to come out even if it accompanies a spin. It would also ensure that there ared atleast somen steelmans in the discussion getting space. But by large precommitment to opinion I see as a thing wrong with press, not something to be strived for.

Comment author: Slider 18 August 2016 05:14:11PM 0 points [-]

If someone claims something about modest numbers there is little need to differentiate between the scenario described and the utterance being evidence for that kind of scenario to hold.

To me its not that the there is only a certain amount of threat per letter you can use (where 3^^^3 tries to be efficient) but the communicative details of the threat lose signficance in the limit.

Its about how much credible threat can be conveyed in a speech bubble. And I don't think that has the form of "well that depends on how many characters the bubble can fill". One does not up their threat level by being able to say large numbers and then saying "I am going to hurt you X much". At the limit when your act would register in my mind as you credibly speaking a big threat would be hardly recognised as speaking any more. Its the point of instead of making air vibrate, you initiate supernovas to make a point.

Comment author: Slider 18 August 2016 03:11:23PM -1 points [-]

Repeating a scenario from long ago.

You have a village that is pested by bees but also farms crops. Lets hypothetically blow it out of proprotino and say that a certain number of people die from bee-sting and a certain number die from starvation.

And lets say that bees poolinate plants and there are also non-poisonous pollinators around (such as maybe butterflies).

Somebody see a small flying insect that has yellow and black stripes in it. He argues that because it looks like a bee and bees frigging kill people we should swat it immidetly. Now considred the counterargument of someone that knows that a non-poisonouns bee mimic also lives nearby. And then let is be clear that if they swatted eveything that looked like a bee there would be singficantly less pollinators left to make the harvest yield good and related starvation deaths.

When someone is swatting a bee lookalike they are not probably thinking about the starvation deaths they are causing.

I think I left the matter in the state that just because a grouping gives information given no new information it doesn't lessen the amoutn of information that you do need. Even after not getting poisoned you need to find food. Thus everybody agrees that people should bother checking on what they are about to swat and should be about dilligent about swatting bees and should be dilligent about not swatting butterflies.

But what does not really stand for long is that somebody who summarily just swats all beelikes is being dilligent. ALL WHILE everybody agrees taht swattting is more right than not swatting. But coloration is not the only info you can deduce from bugs. But mimicry works because ti takes signficantly more cognitive effort to make those distinctions. Thus how right you use the easily avaible information doesn' tsave you from not gathering the hard to get infromation or how poorly you performed on it.

Thus the vilalge is better off educating people about the tellsigns of the mimics and that does not detract from the villages need to keep remembering that bees are poisonous

Comment author: Dagon 05 August 2016 06:02:26PM 2 points [-]

I think there's a fundamental goal conflict between "fairness" and precision. If the socially-unpopular feature is in fact predictive, then you either explicitly want a less-predictive algorithm, or you end up using other features that correlate with S strongly enough that you might as well just use S.

If you want to ensure a given distribution of S independent of classification, then include that in your prediction goals: have your cost function include a homogeneity penalty. Not that you're now pretty seriously tipping the scales against what you previously thought your classifier was predicting. Better and simpler to design and test the classifier in a straightforward way, but don't use it as the sole decision criteria.

Redlining (or more generally, deciding who gets credit) is a great example for this. If you want accurate risk assessment, you must take into account data (income, savings, industry/job stability, other kinds of debt, etc.) that correlates with ethnic averages. The problem is not that the risk classifiers are wrong, the problem is that correct risk assessments lead to unpleasant loan distributions. And the sane solution is to explicitly subsidize the risks you want to encourage for social reasons, not to lie about the risk by throwing away data.

Comment author: Slider 18 August 2016 02:30:42PM 0 points [-]

"If you want accurate risk assessment, you must take into account data (income, savings, industry/job stability, other kinds of debt, etc.) that correlates with ethnic averages."

While not strictly true this is true in essence. The failure point is telling though. What you need is to make generalization that are more general than single individuals. Why that categorization dimensions needs to be ethnicity is not forced at all. Why it would not be gender? Why is it not that you have a certain gene?

When you take such a grouping of indivudals and say that "this average is meaningfull to the decision that I am going to make" that is no longer strictly need.

In dissocaited theorethical talk you could argue and backup as some groupings being more meanignful than others. But the whole discriminatory problems come from people applying a set of groupings that are just common or known without regard to the fit or justifiabliy for he task at hand. That is we first fix the categories and then argue about their ranks rather than letting rankings define categories.

Comment author: Slider 30 June 2016 10:31:49AM 0 points [-]

Often in this kind of speak success is because of individual rationality and failure is because of lack of technology and communal stupidity.

Comment author: ChristianKl 28 June 2016 06:09:06PM 2 points [-]

"emotionally secure" is a vague term that can mean different things in different contexts. In this case I think Slider used it to mean the antonym of vulnerable.

Comment author: Slider 29 June 2016 05:26:01PM -1 points [-]

Indeed I mean just the antonym whatever that ends up meaning.

You have to consider that people who do not enter vulnerable states will try to spin it as being the right thing to do. You can get things like the PATRIOT act throught if you refer to "domestic security" if people are terrorised by attacks. You could reasonably question whether it makes sense to forgo freedom to gain security. There is this quote of:

"People who would trade a little bit of freedom in exchange for security, will end up losing both and deserve neither".

But this kind of logic did not end up prevailing. Its not like people admitted that they are too pussy to be the land of the free but interpreted as the circumstances forcing their hand.

Comment author: Lumifer 28 June 2016 02:54:40PM 3 points [-]

Being emotionally "secure" means to choose your mental actions so to avoid possibility of negative emotions.

I interpret this quite in reverse. I see being emotionally secure as being able to handle negative emotions and so you do NOT have to arrange your life to "avoid [the] possibility" which generally leads to a better and more interesting life.

Comment author: Slider 29 June 2016 05:18:05PM 1 point [-]

Well I mean some mental strategies dare not risk the possibility of depression sadness etc. To that kind of mindset the "emotional cost" is very relevant. It it is associated with a fragile ego. But it does mean that in certain situations there is a clear option that is the emotionally least taxing even if it is not the most productive or most truthful option. Scapegoating your way out of harm usually leads into things like irresponcibiilty. But it is tempting and for many the default action if no corrective action is taken.

Comment author: ChristianKl 23 June 2016 02:11:49PM 0 points [-]

This is basically the idea that the state could decide to try to outlaw bitcoin mining and fight it.

Secondly you are wrong that any state has a monopoly on violence these days. There are multiple states and not none of them have a monopoly on violence. If you want to fight crypto-currencies you have to enforce laws in every country.

Comment author: Slider 28 June 2016 09:05:36AM 0 points [-]

Its usually seen as very rude to go exercise violence on another states soil.

Comment author: Slider 28 June 2016 09:03:55AM 1 point [-]

Emotions usually have a use. Being emotionally "secure" means to choose your mental actions so to avoid possibility of negative emotions. If you allow yourself to be emotionally vulnerable you do not sensor your emotions and their usefullness away from you. That is you allow the state of the world to influence you and do not let your self identity to hijack your mental state.

Comment author: root 22 June 2016 04:53:18PM *  2 points [-]

Haven't people been making contracts for a pretty long time? What is this new 'smart contract' thing and how is it unique?

in a way that's already illegal.

Someone cracking a smart contract wouldn't really mind the law.

Comment author: Slider 22 June 2016 11:33:08PM 0 points [-]

From what I gather its a contract that is so spesific there isn't any room for interpretation.

Normal contracts refer more strongly to a "reasonable human being fluent in the language its written in". This leaves some of the basic concepts somewhat open and some fitting is needed to make spesific sense for the circumstances. For example we can refer to "chairs" without there being any rigourous definition of such. But a smart contract can define rigourously complex hypotheticals on what migth happen in a way that doesn't leave any ambigity.

I guess the theory of it could be way more sound if humans were capable of logical omniscience. But given a piece of code you probably only understand its main modes of function. If you brough up some weird edgecase on how the spesification binds you and ask "did you really will this?" a typical human can't answer yes to all such questions. Its like committing to following the bible and then afterwards finding out it involves stoning people (and then not being so willing after learning this fact). Someone who doesn't know that marriage influences inheritance etc is not capable of agreeing to a marriage, even if he says yes during some ritual. But marriage is simple enough that it can be externally verified when a person does understand it or atleast ought to.

In a way we do somethign similar when we include terms of service that are boring enough and skippable enough that lots of people do not read them. But here the whole text is readable. It is just so dense in mathematical/technical coding that reading it in a comphehensive way would take significant effort which is not usually done. Its like saying "here read this schrödinger equation. Congratulations now you understand quantum mechanics completely". But the comprehensiveness can be executed and the ability to prescan it for known tricks/bugs makes it not automatically socially useless. But if the code ends up later to have a property that neither of the parties were aware off and could not be expected to come aware off upon prescanning the code are they legally stuck on following it? You either have to acknowledge that the parties have incomplete information on the functioning of the code or you have bindings that nobody knew about or intended. Which is pretty bad for informed consent.

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