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Meetup : Ann Arbor Area Amalgam of Rationalist-Adjacent Anthropoids: March 11

0 Sniffnoy 10 March 2017 12:41AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Ann Arbor Area Amalgam of Rationalist-Adjacent Anthropoids: March 11

WHEN: 11 March 2017 04:30:00PM (-0500)

WHERE: 1147 Freesia Court, Ann Arbor, MI 48105

(Copied with permission from mailing list, originally written by Whit F)

Hi all. You are hereby informed of the following:

Andrew and I will be hosting a gathering of all who wish to attend at our condo this Saturday, 11 March 2017, at 4:30pm until everyone leaves. Address is

1147 Freesia Court Ann Arbor MI 48105

There is plenty of parking in the parking structure across Maiden Lane from us which is free on weekends. [Contact stuff excised, not sure if I have permission to share that; you can reply here.] I hope to see many of you Saturday.

Discussion article for the meetup : Ann Arbor Area Amalgam of Rationalist-Adjacent Anthropoids: March 11

Link: Simulating C. Elegans

15 Sniffnoy 20 November 2014 09:30AM


Summary, as I understand it: The connectome for C. elegans's 302-neuron brain has been known for some time, but actually doing anything with it (especially actually understanding it) has proved troublesome, especially because there could easily be relevant information about its brain function not stored in just the connections of the neurons.

However, the OpenWorm project -- which is trying to eventually make much more detailed C. elegans simulations, including an appropriate body -- recently tried just fudging it and making a simulation based on the connectome anyway, though in a wheeled body rather than a wormlike one.  And the result does seem to act at least somewhat like a C. elegans worm, though I am not really one to judge that.  (Video is here.)

I'm having trouble finding much more information about this at the moment.  I don't know if they've actually yet released detailed technical information.

Terminology suggestion: Say "degrees utility" instead of "utils" to prompt affine thinking

11 Sniffnoy 19 May 2013 08:03AM

A common mistake people make with utility functions is taking individual utility numbers as meaningful, and performing operations such as adding them or doubling them.  But utility functions are only defined up to positive affine transformation.

Talking about "utils" seems like it would encourage this sort of mistake; it makes it sound like some sort of quantity of stuff, that can be meaningfully added, scaled, etc.  Now the use of a unit -- "utils" -- instead of bare real numbers does remind us that the scale we've picked is arbitrary, but it doesn't remind us that the zero we've picked is also arbitrary, and encourages such illegal operations as addition and scaling.  It suggests linear, not affine.

But there is a common everyday quantity which we ordinarily measure with an affine scale, and that's temperature.  Now, in fact, temperatures really do have an absolute zero (and if you make sufficient use natural units, they have an absolute scale, as well), but generally we measure temperature with scales that were invented before that fact was recognized.  And so while we may have Kelvins, we have "degrees Fahrenheit" or "degrees Celsius".

If you've used these scales long enough you recognize that it is meaningless to e.g. add things measured on these scales, or to multiply them by scalars.  So I think it would be a helpful cognitive reminder to say something like "degrees utility" instead of "utils", to suggest an affine scale like we use for temperature, rather than a linear scale like we use for length or time or mass.

The analogy isn't entirely perfect, because as I've mentioned above, temperature actually can be measured on a linear scale (and with sufficient use of natural units, an absolute scale); but the point is just to prompt the right style of thinking, and in everyday life we usually think of temperature as an (ordered) affine thing, like utility.

As such I recommend saying "degrees utility" instead of "utils".  If there is some other familiar quantity we also tend to use an affine scale for, perhaps an analogy with that could be used instead or as well.

Should correlation coefficients be expressed as angles?

43 Sniffnoy 28 November 2012 12:05AM

Edit 11/28: Edited note at bottom to note that the random variables should have finite variance, and that this is essentially just L². Also some formatting changes.

This is something that has been bugging me for a while.

The correlation coefficient between two random variables can be interpreted as the cosine of the angle between them[0]. The higher the correlation, the more "in the same direction" they are. A correlation coefficient of one means they point in exactly the same direction, while -1 means they point in exactly opposite directions.  More generally, a positive correlation coefficient means the two random variables make an acute angle, while a negative correlation means they make an obtuse angle.  A correlation coefficient of zero means that they are quite literally orthogonal.

Everything I have said above is completely standard.  So why aren't correlation coefficients commonly expressed as angles instead of as their cosines?  It seems to me that this would make them more intuitive to process.

Certainly it would make various statements about them more intuitive.  For instance "Even if A is positive correlated with B and B is positively correlated with C, A might be negatively correlated with C."  This sounds counterintuitive, until you rephrase it as "Even if A makes an acute angle with B and B makes an acute angle with C, A might make an obtuse angle with C."  Similarly, the geometric viewpoint makes it easier to make observations like "If A and B have correlation exceeding 1/√2 and so do B and C, then A and C are positively correlated" -- because this is just the statement that if A and B make an angle of less than 45° and so do B and C, then A and C make an angle of less than 90°.

Now when further processing is to be done with the correlation coefficients, one wants to leave them as correlation coefficients, rather than take their inverse cosines just to have to take their cosines again later.  (I don't know that the angles you get this way are actually useful mathematically, and I suspect they mostly aren't.)  My question rather is about when correlation coefficients are expressed to the reader, i.e. when they are considered as an end product.  It seems to me that expressing them as angles would give people a better intuitive feel for them.

Or am I just entirely off-base here?  Statistics, let alone the communication thereof, is not exactly my specialty, so I'd be interested to hear if there's a good reason people don't do this.  (Is it assumed that anyone who knows about correlation has the geometric point of view completely down?  But most people can't calculate an inverse cosine in their head...)

[0]Formal mathematical version: If we consider real-valued random variables with finite variance on some fixed probability space Ω -- that is to say, L²(Ω) -- the covariance is a positive-semidefinite symmetric bilinear form, with kernel equal to the set of essentially constant random variables.  If we mod out by these we can consider the result as an inner product space and define angles between vectors as usual, which gives us the inverse cosine of the correlation coefficient.  Alternatively we could just take L²(Ω) and restrict to those elements with zero mean; this is isomorphic (since it is the image of the "subtract off the mean" map, whose kernel is precisely the essentially constant random variables).

Example of neurons usefully communicating without synapses found in flies [LINK]

4 Sniffnoy 23 November 2012 11:25PM

Or, yet another obstacle to WBE.


OK, apparently ephaptic coupling is old news, but this seems to be the first example where we can say just what it does and that it is doing something useful.

Where to report bugs on the new site?

1 Sniffnoy 12 August 2011 08:32AM

I assume it's the same as before, but I don't recall where that is and it doesn't seem to be listed on the about page anymore.  One of my comments will not mark as read on my userpage even though it will everywhere else...

[LINK] Reverse priming effect from awareness of persuasion attempt?

4 Sniffnoy 05 August 2011 06:02PM

Recently came across this blog post on Language Log summarizing this recent paper by Laran et al. Super-short version: When people are aware that a slogan is trying to persuade them, reverse-priming effects in which they avoid doing as it suggests can be seen.  However, if their attention is drawn away from the fact that it is trying to persuade them, the usual priming effects are seen.

A summary of Savage's foundations for probability and utility.

34 Sniffnoy 22 May 2011 07:56PM

Edit: I think the P2c I wrote originally may have been a bit too weak; fixed that. Nevermind, rechecking, that wasn't needed.

More edits (now consolidated): Edited nontriviality note. Edited totality note. Added in the definition of numerical probability in terms of qualitative probability (though not the proof that it works). Also slight clarifications on implications of P6' and P6''' on partitions into equivalent and almost-equivalent parts, respectively.

One very late edit, June 2: Even though we don't get countable additivity, we still want a σ-algebra rather than just an algebra (this is needed for some of the proofs in the "partition conditions" section that I don't go into here). Also noted nonemptiness of gambles.

The idea that rational agents act in a manner isomorphic to expected-utility maximizers is often used here, typically justified with the Von Neumann-Morgenstern theorem.  (The last of Von Neumann and Morgenstern's axioms, the independence axiom, can be grounded in a Dutch book argument.)  But the Von Neumann-Morgenstern theorem assumes that the agent already measures its beliefs with (finitely additive) probabilities.  This in turn is often justified with Cox's theorem (valid so long as we assume a "large world", which is implied by e.g. the existence of a fair coin).  But Cox's theorem assumes as an axiom that the plausibility of a statement is taken to be a real number, a very large assumption!  I have also seen this justified here with Dutch book arguments, but these all seem to assume that we are already using some notion of expected utility maximization (which is not only somewhat circular, but also a considerably stronger assumption than that plausibilities are measured with real numbers).

There is a way of grounding both (finitely additive) probability and utility simultaneously, however, as detailed by Leonard Savage in his Foundations of Statistics (1954).  In this article I will state the axioms and definitions he gives, give a summary of their logical structure, and suggest a slight modification (which is equivalent mathematically but slightly more philosophically satisfying).  I would also like to ask the question: To what extent can these axioms be grounded in Dutch book arguments or other more basic principles?  I warn the reader that I have not worked through all the proofs myself and I suggest simply finding a copy of the book if you want more detail.

Peter Fishburn later showed in Utility Theory for Decision Making (1970) that the axioms set forth here actually imply that utility is bounded.

(Note: The versions of the axioms and definitions in the end papers are formulated slightly differently from the ones in the text of the book, and in the 1954 version have an error. I'll be using the ones from the text, though in some cases I'll reformulate them slightly.)

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Link: Chessboxing could help train automatic emotion regulation

4 Sniffnoy 22 January 2011 11:40PM

EDIT: Argh, I really failed to read this closely. Rewriting...

Just saw this over at Not Exactly Rocket Science. Chessboxing (or similar games) could help train automatic emotion regulation.  Obviously this should generalize.  Has this - by which I mean finding things that can help train automatic emotion regulation - been done before? This doesn't seem to be anything new - and this is extrapolation, not experimental results - but it's a neat application.

Draft/wiki: Infinities and measuring infinite sets: A quick reference

27 Sniffnoy 24 December 2010 04:52AM

EDIT: This is now on the Wiki as "Quick reference guide to the infinite".  Do what you want with it.

It seems whenever anything involving infinities or measuring infinite sets comes up it generates a lot of confusion.  So I thought I would write a quick guide to both to

  1. Address common confusions
  2. Act as a useful reference (perhaps this should be a wiki article? This would benefit from others being able to edit it; there's no "community wiki mode" on LW, huh?)
  3. Remind people that sometimes inventing a new sort of answer is necessary!

I am trying to keep this concise, in some cases substituting Wikipedia links for explanation, but I do want what I have written to be understandable enough and informative enough to answer the commonly occurring questions.  Please let me know if you can detect a particular problem. I wrote this very quickly and expect it still needs quite a bit more work to be understandable to someone with very little math background.

I realize many people here are finitists of one stripe or another but this comes up often enough that this seems useful anyway.  Apologies to any constructivists, but I am going to assume classical logic, because it's all I know, though I am pointing out explicitly any uses of choice.  (For what this means and why anyone cares about this, see this comment.)  Also as I intend this as a reference (is there *any* way we can make this editable?) some of this may be things that I do not actually know but merely have read.

Note that these are two separate topics, though they have a bit of overlap.

Primarily, though, my main intention is to put an end to the following, which I have seen here far too often:

Myth #0: All infinities are infinite cardinals, and cardinality is the main method used to measure size of sets.

The fact is that "infinite" is a general term meaning "larger (in some sense) than any natural number"; different systems of infinite numbers get used depending on what is appropriate in context. Furthermore, there are many other methods of measuring sizes of sets, which sacrifice universality for higher resolution; cardinality is a very coarse-grained measure.

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