Comment author: Adele_L 05 September 2013 05:43:46AM 4 points [-]

Non-curious people seem unlikely to play this game, much less pay to play it!

Comment author: SoundLogic 05 September 2013 05:45:14AM 1 point [-]

True.

Comment author: Adele_L 05 September 2013 05:39:21AM 3 points [-]

It doesn't feel that much harder to me - if you are good enough to win by arguing, all you have to do is keep them interested enough to get hooked. I know it would be hard for me to just ignore the AI because of the sheer curiosity.

Comment author: SoundLogic 05 September 2013 05:42:40AM 3 points [-]

I have a fair bit of curiosity, which is why he said that in this case it probably wouldn't make a difference.

Comment author: Adele_L 05 September 2013 05:32:13AM 7 points [-]

Do you think you could have won with EY's ruleset? I'm interested in hearing both your and SoundLogic's opinions.


(minor quibble: usage of male pronouns as default pronouns is really irritating to me and many women, I recommend singular they, but switching back and forth is fine too)

Comment author: SoundLogic 05 September 2013 05:36:37AM 10 points [-]

Tuxedage's changes were pretty much just patches to fix a few holes as far as I can tell. I don't think they really made a difference.

Comment author: RomeoStevens 05 September 2013 05:15:23AM *  4 points [-]

I don't understand which attacks would even come close to working given that the amount of utility on the table should preclude the mental processing of a single human being an acceptable gatekeeper. But I guess this means I should pay someone to try it with me.

Comment author: SoundLogic 05 September 2013 05:16:43AM 8 points [-]

I couldn't imagine either. But the evidence said there was such a thing, so I payed to find out. It was worth it.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 05 September 2013 04:58:46AM 10 points [-]

I am surprised if it is the case that any negative promise / threat by the AI was effective in-game, since I would expect the Gatekeeper player out-game to not feel truly threatened and hence to be able to resist such pressure even if it would be effective in real life. Did you actually attempt to use any of your stored-up threats?

Comment author: SoundLogic 05 September 2013 05:13:46AM *  8 points [-]

I think your reasoning is mostly sound, but there are a few exceptions (which may or may not have happened in our game) that violate your assumptions.

I'm also somewhat curious how your techniques contrast with Tuxedage's. I hope to find out one day.

Comment author: SoundLogic 11 March 2013 05:00:34PM 0 points [-]

I was under the impression that a property x was emergent if it wasn't determined by the set of property states of the components. IE, gravity isn't emergent since the gravity generated by something is the addition of the gravity of the parts. Intelligence isn't, because even if I know the intelligence of each of your neurons, I don't know your intelligence.

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