Comment author: Spinning_Sandwich 22 January 2013 08:47:41PM 1 point [-]

Having been a TA at two universities in two different states, I can assure you that considering university students would increase the prevalence of small laptops & tablets, not decrease it. Although not literally true, it is perfectly true in the colloquial sense that everyone has them.

Restricting the sample to just the students I've taught (several hundred, probably less than a thousand), I'd view prediction 20 as mostly true in all but the most literal sense. (For instance, I find the difference between touch interfaces with fingers vs those with a stylus to be irrelevant to the spirit of overall truth of the prediction.)

Comment author: Risto_Saarelma 15 October 2012 11:58:11AM 1 point [-]

Bruce Sterling's Schismatrix and Holy Fire both have the protagonist breaking out of the traditional human life narrative as they grow older and get neater augmentation tech. Schismatrix is earlier and space operatic. Holy Fire is 90s post-cyberpunk and is more about biotech and radical life extension.

I read both 10+ years ago, so my memories are a bit hazy by now. Then I went and read Zeitgeist and haven't touched a Bruce Sterling book since.

Comment author: Spinning_Sandwich 18 October 2012 02:02:50AM 0 points [-]

I'll second Schismatrix and emphasize that it has a particular focus on whether it's better to extend human life by purely organic/biological means or to use mechanical/technological enhancements.

Comment author: DanArmak 27 September 2012 10:49:35PM 4 points [-]

To the best of my understanding, "subjunctively objective" means the same thing that "subjective" means in ordinary speech: dependent on something external, and objective once that something is specified. So Eliezer's morality is objective once you specify that it's his morality (or human morality, etc.) and then propositions about it can be true or false. "Turning a person into paperclips is wrong" is an ethical proposition that is Eliezer-true and Human-true and Paperclipper-false, and Eliezer's "subjunctive objective" view is that we should just call that "true".

I disagree with that approach because this is exactly what is called being "subjective" by most people, and so it's misleading. As if the existing confusion over philosophical word games wasn't bad enough.

Comment author: Spinning_Sandwich 30 September 2012 08:30:08PM 0 points [-]

"Turning a person into paperclips is wrong" is an ethical proposition that is Eliezer-true and Human-true and >Paperclipper-false, and Eliezer's "subjunctive objective" view is that we should just call that "true".

Despite the fact that we might have a bias toward the Human-[x] subset of moral claims, it's important to understand that such a theory does not itself favor one over the other.

It would be like a utilitarian taking into account only his family's moral weights in any calculations, so that a moral position might be Family-true but Strangers-false. It's perfectly coherent to restrict the theory to a subset of its domain (and speaking of domains, it's a bit vacuous to talk of paperclip morality, at least to the best of my knowledge of the extent of their feelings...), but that isn't really what the theory as a whole is about.

So if we as a species were considering assimilation, and the moral evaluation of this came up Human-false but Borg-true, the theory (in principle) is perfectly well equipped to decide which would ultimately be the greater good for all parties involved. It's not simply false just because it's Human-false. (I say this, but I'm unfamiliar with Eliezer's position. If he's biased toward Human-[x] statements, I'd have to disagree.)

Comment author: John_Maxwell_IV 28 September 2012 12:14:40AM *  1 point [-]

Do you think it is a fact that "the rule that you can't kill people is a very good convention".

It's a fact that it's a good convention for helping to achieve my values. So yeah, "the rule that you can't kill people is a very good convention" is a subjective value claim. I didn't mean to frame it as a factual claim. Any time you see me use the word "good", you can probably interpret as shorthand for "good according to my values".

It is a convention that Obama is called president, but also a fact that he is president.

The "fact" that Obama is president is only social truth. Obama is president because we decided he is. If no one thought Obama was president, he wouldn't be president anymore.

The only sense in which "Obama is president" is a true fact is if it's shorthand for something like "many people think Obama is president and he has de facto power over the executive branch of the US government". (Or you could use it as shorthand for "Obama is president according to the Supreme Court's interpretation of US laws" or something like that, I guess.)

In medieval times, at one point, there were competing popes. If I said "Clement VII is pope", that would be a malformed factual claim, 'cause it's not clear how to interpret the shorthand (what sensory experiences would we expect if the proposition "Clement VII is pope" is true?). In this case, the shorthand reveals its insufficiency, and you realize that a conventional claim like this only becomes a factual claim when it's paired with a group of people that respects the convention ("Clement VII is considered the pope in France" is a better-formed factual claim, as is "Clement VII is considered the pope everywhere". Only the first is true.). Oftentimes the relevant group is implied and not necessary to state ("Obama is considered US president by 99+% of those who have an opinion on the issue").

People do argue over conventional stuff all the time, but these aren't arguments over anticipation ("My pope is legit, yours is not!"). Some moral arguments ("abortion is murder!") follow the same form.

Comment author: Spinning_Sandwich 30 September 2012 08:18:24PM 0 points [-]

You seem to be overlooking the fact that facts involving contextual language are facts nonetheless.

The "fact" that Obama is president is only social truth. Obama is president because we decided he is. If no one >thought Obama was president, he wouldn't be president anymore.

There is a counterfactual sense in which this holds some weight. I'm not saying agree with your claim, but I would at least have to give it more consideration before I knew what to conclude.

But that simply isn't the case (& it's a fact that it isn't, of course). Obama's (present) presidency is not contested, and it is a fact that he is President of the United States.

You could try to argue against admitting facts involving any vagueness of language, but you would run into two problems: this is more an issue with language than an issue with facts; and you have already admitted facts about other things.

Comment author: [deleted] 27 September 2012 08:57:13PM 0 points [-]

Wow. I voted "No" because modus ponens and such are just procedures that produce evidence, not some kind of magical truth juice.

I guess if "Yes" means you can construct consistent definitions that are not empirically verifiable, then I'd vote Yes.

Comment author: Spinning_Sandwich 29 September 2012 02:49:41AM 0 points [-]

Unless you buy into Kant's synthetic a priori arguments, that's really all analytic means. Of course, in practice it's far more interesting & complicated, and it even leads to the kind of applications that have made secure internet commerce possible, not to mention the computers we use to do that.

At least, on some days I think that's what 'analytic' means. Maybe.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 26 September 2012 01:51:46PM 1 point [-]

Free will: incompatibilism or compatibilism?

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Comment author: Spinning_Sandwich 27 September 2012 07:24:07AM 1 point [-]

I like the idea of pulling some language from logic and saying we have "bound will," not "free will."

This may well be compatibilism as intended by its defenders, but that isn't the impression I've ever had from their papers.

I would [very] roughly describe bound will with the following two claims: My will is free from Susie's will. Neither Susie's will nor my will is free from physical causes.

Notice that such a term doesn't care whether the universe is strictly deterministic or merely stochastic.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 26 September 2012 02:00:16PM 2 points [-]

Abstract objects: nominalism or Platonism?

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Comment author: Spinning_Sandwich 27 September 2012 07:17:56AM 1 point [-]

I think I'm more comfortable with the negation of Platonism than with the positive claim of nominalism, but I suppose in this context we have 'nominalism' = '~Platonism'.

Whether what is usually meant by 'nominalism' is the same is as unclear to me as I am uncomfortable with the idea of making a positive claim about it.

Comment author: DanArmak 26 September 2012 05:54:48PM *  2 points [-]

Meta-poll: this is not one of the original poll questions. It's just something I wanted to ask.

What is your opinion of modern philosophy, if the questions in this survey are taken as representative, important, unresolved issues in the field?

Interesting questions: most open philosophical problems are meaningful, useful, or interesting, and it is worthwhile to research them. If philosophers come to a broad agreement on a currently open issue, non-philosophers should pay attention.

Interesting debate: most philosophical problems are confused debates, e.g. over the meanings of words, and the participants often do not realize this. However, they are useful or interesting to non-philosophers mostly due to what they tell us about the philosophers (e.g. as signalling, or in the correlations between answers elicited by the PhilPapers survey); or for some other reason.

Uninteresting: most philosophical problems are historically-contigent arguments and confusions that should be discarded.

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Comment author: Spinning_Sandwich 27 September 2012 07:15:02AM 0 points [-]

This depends a great deal on both which branch of philosophy we're talking about & who is evaluating that particular branch's usefulness.

For example, I find developments in logics, philosophy of science, & general epistemology to be of great interest, and I perceive all three topics to be advancing (listed in order of priority as that goes) as the years go by. I'm sure others feel differently.

It would be hard to get past the fact that, especially between the different branches of philosophy, there is a great deal of "philosophy of language" that is or must be done just to get at what anyone's talking about. But that is, to some extent, true of any field with a technical language.

So I guess all four answers make sense in some sense.

Comment author: Jayson_Virissimo 26 September 2012 01:45:51PM 2 points [-]

Analytic-synthetic distinction: yes or no?

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Comment author: Spinning_Sandwich 27 September 2012 07:05:45AM 1 point [-]

I probably should have voted for "Other," but I voted for "Lean toward: yes" because I still outright agree in certain contexts.

Quine's Two Dogmas is certainly enough to make me doubt the usefulness of the analytic/synthetic distinction as regards ordinary language, but for formal languages, this is not the case. It's also not clear to me whether it's impossible to construct a language (for communication) clear enough to make sense of analytic/synthetic distinctions.

This is one of those wonderfully agnostic positions that philosophy often leaves me with.

Comment author: FiftyTwo 15 September 2012 05:02:19PM -1 points [-]

You'd have to explain what the rand function is, since that is apparently an un-Google-able term unless you want Ayn Rand (I don't),

Ah sorry meant "range" not "rand," nevermind think I got it. [I apologise for shamelessly pumping you for question answers.] As for Ayn, no-one does.

Would you recommend "Fixing Frege?" Think I've read bits and pieces of Burgess before but it never made a massive impact.

I'd agree with you on the definition of working logician, the post docs and lecturers I've worked with are on a completely different level from even the smartest student. Not quite thousand year old vampire level but the same level of difference as a native language speaker and a learner.

Comment author: Spinning_Sandwich 16 September 2012 03:32:54AM 0 points [-]

It helps that generally (ie unless you're at Princeton/Cambridge/etc) the faculty at a given school will have come from much stronger schools than the grad students there, and similarly for undergrads/grads. And by "helps" I mean that it helps maintain the effect while explaining it, not that it helps the students any.

As far as the range of a recursive function goes, isn't that the very definition of a recursive set?

I'm definitely enjoying Fixing Frege. This is the third Burgess book I've read (Computability & Logic and Philosophical Logic being the other two), and when it's just him doing the writing, he's definitely one of the clearest expositors of logic I've ever read.

Apparently, he also gets chalk all over his shirt when he lectures, but I've never seen this first-hand.

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