Stuart_Armstrong17 March 2010 02:55:08PM* 0 points [-]
  1. Alpha has sent me the envelope, and would do so whatever Omega decided to do. The causal decision as to why Omega visited me is irrelevant.

  2. This is irrelevant.

  3. "I predicted that you will refuse this £10 if and only if there is £1000 000 in Alpha's envelope." is true. To avoid ambiguity, recast is as: XNOR("I predicted you will refuse this £10", "there is £1000 000 in Alpha's envelope") is true.

As for the large ratio:

Omega snatches the £10 away from you, swallows his words, runs out and returns a bit later with a check for £100 000. "Out of deference to your uncertainties", he says, sighing, "I've decided to renew the experiment with a lesser ratio. But just this once!"

Stuart_Armstrong17 March 2010 01:36:06PM0 points [-]

Yep, this seems correct.

For some reason, Vladimir's formulation seems clearer to me. Must be my math background.

Stuart_Armstrong17 March 2010 01:28:40PM1 point [-]

I really like this formulation.

Stuart_Armstrong17 March 2010 01:12:20PM1 point [-]

All I have to say is: ¥, €, ৳, ₪, ریال and zł

Stuart_Armstrong17 March 2010 01:05:13PM* 1 point [-]

Omega didn't bring you the envelope. It arrived before he got there.

Stuart_Armstrong17 March 2010 12:57:57PM0 points [-]

The large ratio is deliberate (and it's not so huge that 'all my theories are wrong!' is going to dominate).

Stuart_Armstrong17 March 2010 12:45:47PM* 1 point [-]

It's all built on Drescher's version, just stripped down.

And I didn't fall into Drescher's trap: I incorrectly stated the correct answer, then thought about it really hard and really long, and correctly stated the correct answer.

Stuart_Armstrong17 March 2010 12:41:35PM0 points [-]

Edited to make this clear

Omega's subcontracting to Alpha

7Stuart_Armstrong16 March 2010 06:52PM

This is a variant built on Gary Drescher's xor problem for timeless decision theory.

You get an envelope from your good friend Alpha, and are about to open it, when Omega appears in a puff of logic.

Being completely trustworthy as usual (don't you just hate that?), he explains that Alpha flipped a coin (or looked at the parity of a sufficiently high digit of pi), to decide whether to put £1000 000 in your envelope, or put nothing.

He, Omega, knows what Alpha decided, has also predicted your own actions, and you know these facts. He hands you a £10 note and says:

"(I predicted that you will refuse this £10) if and only if (there is £1000 000 in Alpha's envelope)."

What to do?

EDIT: to clarify, Alpha will send you the envelope anyway, and Omega may choose to appear or not appear as he and his logic deem fit. Nor is Omega stating a mathematical theorem: that one can deduce from the first premise the truth of the second. He is using XNOR, but using 'if and only if' seems a more understandable formulation. You get to keep the envelope whatever happens, in case that wasn't clear.

Stuart_Armstrong14 March 2010 12:41:55PM4 points [-]

CEV, until designed and defined properly, is just a black box that everyone universally agrees is 'good', but has little else in term of defining features.

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