Comment author: TheDave 13 April 2012 07:41:38PM *  5 points [-]

Concreteness Game The object of this game is to train players to generate examples for explaining concepts quickly. The game requires at least two people, but may work better with groups of three or four.

To play, one of the players (Asker) names a concept to be explained, such as "How do you traverse a linked nodal network", "Explain the law of Conservation of Energy", or "What constitutes good financial advice?"

The other player (Generator) then tries to explain the concept/skill/other by using a nearby object to assist. The Generator should relate the example back to the original query and explain how the example demonstrates the experimental predictions that the concept makes (see Extended Example below). The Asker listens to the explanation, and once the Asker feels as though the generator has been able to explain the concept fully, they indicate to the Generator that the Generator should pick another object and start again. Another option the Asker should exercise is to ask follow-up questions about the Generator's example, asking for clarification or elaboration by interacting with their object in some way (examples in the Extended Example section below)

Extended Example: <Two people are on a walk in a park> Asker: "Okay, let's try this. Explain Newton's Third Law." Generator: "All right, <looks around> hmm... Okay, take that big old oak tree as an example! Now, imagine that I want to push this tree over. <Moves to stand next to the trunk, with feet spread wide apart to push against the tree very strongly> If I push on it, it doesn't really move anywhere, and neither do I. That's because the tree has a really strong root system to prevent it from being tipped over, while I'm braced against the ground. That means the force I put on the tree doesn't go anywhere. Now, what happens if I don't brace against the tree? <Moves to stand with both feet very close to the base of the tree> I'm going to try and push with the same strength that I did just now. <Pushes and has to quickly stumble away to recover from being thrown off balance> If the tree didn't exert any force on me, then why did it force my arms away strongly enough to tip me over?" Asker: "What happens if you were standing on ice instead of dirt?" Generator: "Hmm... If I wanted to avoid spinning away from the tree, then I couldn't push against it too hard. If I did want to, though, then I could turn this whole area into a pinball machine by pushing off of all the trees!" Asker: <laughs> "Okay, another example this time!" Generator: <looks around> "All right, look at that guy in his kayak over there. Every time he uses his paddle to push himself forward, you see a whirlpool where his paddle was. That's because he's pushing against a lot of water with the flat of the paddle. The paddle pushes on the water, and the water pushes back on the paddle. You can see this because he moves forward while the water is disturbed. If the law didn't apply then the water shouldn't-" Asker: <interrupting> "Okay, you've got that one, give me another one!" Generator: <grinning> "Hmm..."

Through playtesting, we've noticed that there are two broad categories of useful questions in this game. The first type are "You have a rule, now apply it with the objects in front of us". For example, one might describe good financial advice by pointing at a nearly-broken-down refrigerator: "Some advice you have to use right away like take-out food before it spoils. Other advice will keep basically forever, like ketchup maybe, while other advice will let you repair the refigerator to let it keep everything fresh for longer. What you want is to avoid poisoning yourself and keep healthy, so good advice is anything that keeps from poisoning you or your friends. Stock tips are like take-out food, while better mental models are like fixing the fridge." The other type of useful question seems to be descriptive in nature. "Explain the life-cycle of a caterpillar": "Well, imagine riding around on a cheap kid's bicycle and picking up tubing, gears, and other supplies as you ride around. Then you take the bike and everything you collected into a room, work for a while, and you come out with an awesome racing bike that lets you do things you never could before".

Example questions: Explain Conservation of Energy. What constitutes good scientific practice? Explain the sunk cost fallacy. How do you lift heavy things safely? What constitutes an efficient algorithm? Explain (Hansonian) signaling. Explain priming and how expectations about the quality of a thing can affect your assessment of its quality. Describe how Omega might optimize for happiness. Explain what a set (in set theory) is and some of its basic properties. Explain the fallacy of gray.

Theory (SPOILER ALERT! This section contains material likely to prime your reactions) This game is designed to help people provide concrete examples on demand. The expectation is that: Forcing the players to compare their mental models against physical objects makes their explanations more concrete because physical objects can be interacted with. If a Generator relates a tree to AI theory, the question "What is a branch and what happens when I push on it?" seems to yield concrete answers more often in practice than "What are the features of AI theory and why do they matter?". The concept of follow-up questions seems to greatly increase the fun of the game. Many more grins were observed when the Asker occasionally quit saying "Okay, got it, another example now!" and instead interacted with the physical model in some way. Playtesting seemed to also show that people really enjoyed coming up with examples up to their third, and the fourth became difficult to generate while the fifth was simply not all that fun to force ourselves to come up with. Priming may have been an issue, but initial results suggest asking for roughly three examples is the most fun before moving to a different question.

EDIT: Formatting

Comment author: SilasBarta 29 March 2012 08:16:09PM *  8 points [-]

7b) Is there any evidence I'll be glad I went that a Christian retreat could not produce just as easily?

Edit: Okay, 15 seconds to this being downvoted was a little hasty.

Comment author: TheDave 30 March 2012 12:37:03AM *  9 points [-]

As an attendee, my personal data might be relevant:

I have gained practice deliberately acquiring new habits and soliciting useful feedback. Before camp I had no specific plans for self-improvement other than "work harder", and now I actually keep track of what works and what doesn't. For instance, I am deliberately improving my public speaking skills by giving talks on Minicamp material once a week to a limited audience. I would place a bet that the "alternate universe me" who instead attended Inspirational Retreat X (IRX) would not have had lasting effects nearly a year later.

I am deliberately extending my network of contacts. Speaking to new people was a skill that I didn't have pre-Minicamp. On this point, "alternate universe me" could have reasonably acquired similar skills from IRX, but I have relatively strong reason to believe that those skills would be much more of a black box than they are now. I usually leave workshops inspired, but I can tell if it's a poor workshop when I try to apply the skills I learned and discover that it's not as easy as it seemed to be according to the instructor's examples. There is a difference between "explaining something so that it sounds good" and "explaining something so someone else can do it". I attend swing dancing workshops about once a month, and Minicamp never once felt inapplicable like several of the lessons I've taken over the years. More personal data: I talked a local CEO into letting me give a presentation on rationality to the class he teaches on the side at Penn State, which is something I would have never even thought about doing before Minicamp.

This comment has already gone on too long, but I hope that gives you some useful information.

Summary: Minicamp's general perspective on teaching skills is more effective than the vast majority of small workshops I attend because the instructors taught skills rather than inspiration. Inspiration came from trying their skills and discovering that they worked, which is surprisingly rare.

Comment author: Ubiquity 07 October 2011 09:23:41PM 1 point [-]

I'm a LW newbie(lurker, just created this to post) in the SC/UP area, but I don't think I can make this meetup. If it works out that I can I will be there.

Comment author: TheDave 08 October 2011 04:31:42AM 0 points [-]

There will certainly be more meetups! My current plan is to hold something biweekly, but I need to see what the spread of visitors is before I commit to a specific time/place. Thanks for letting me know you're interested!

Comment author: [deleted] 21 September 2011 03:06:46AM *  0 points [-]

I'm going to come out and say it: YESSS!! I will definitely be there. I tried a while ago to get a meetup started in Central PA, but there apparently wasn't any interest then. Great to hear that there are now some other LessWrongians in State College!

Comment author: TheDave 21 September 2011 04:15:35PM 0 points [-]

I've already met another LWer since I moved here a month ago, but I'm pretty excited to meet more!

Meetup : Penn State University: NEW Meetup starting!

5 TheDave 21 September 2011 02:52AM

Discussion article for the meetup : Penn State University: NEW Meetup starting!

WHEN: 22 October 2011 02:00:00PM (-0400)

WHERE: Panera bread: 148 South Allen Street State College, PA 16801

I'll be hosting a meetup at the Panera Bread meeting room on Oct. 22nd in State College! We'll be introducing ourselves, playing rationality games, and discussing what comes to mind. I was exposed to a lot of cool things at the Mini-camp in San Francisco this summer, and I'm eager to spread them around!

This meetup is mostly structured around getting to know each other, but future ones will have discussions about the sequences and current research results as well as more games and many other topics. Hope to see you there!

Discussion article for the meetup : Penn State University: NEW Meetup starting!

Comment author: Sniffnoy 17 September 2011 08:40:56AM 0 points [-]

Major problem on the linked website is that the page seems to have to reload.

I'm not getting that. It seems to just be using anchors; why would that happen?

Comment author: TheDave 17 September 2011 09:52:37PM 0 points [-]

It might just be a browser/connection/processor speed problem on my end. Thanks for checking!

Comment author: lukeprog 13 September 2011 09:03:46PM 0 points [-]

That would be useful. I guess the way I've seen this done sometimes is to use symbols like * † ‡ for content footnotes and numbers for citation endnotes? But that usually works on paper, where pages are short and you can see the content of the footnote at a glance. I'm not sure I've seen a solution for this that works on the web. It'd be nice to have an integrated Less Wrong footnote system so that we could test different ways of displaying the content. Maybe a hover-over-the-footnote-to-read-its-contents feature?

Comment author: TheDave 16 September 2011 09:46:43PM 1 point [-]

Until that sort of feature is implemented, what about footnote links to the content while having text (no link) to the references? Also helpful would be a "return to where this number is in the text" function. I anticipate this solution taking less time while being less robust.

Here's an example. The body text footnote numbers link to the bottom, and a return arrow links you back to the citation. Major problem on the linked website is that the page seems to have to reload. I don't know of any way to make citations such as these without the process being time-intensive unless you write your own citation manager or contact the linked-to blogger.

In response to comment by roland on The 5-Second Level
Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 11 May 2011 03:41:33AM 1 point [-]

Years ago, I formulated the "No Bullet Hypothesis" of the Kennedy assassination: he wasn't hit by any bullets at all, his head just blew up. I had been thinking it was a peculiar form of spontaneous human combustion, perhaps involving Marilyn Monroe and Tibetan Nazis, but now I realize that his head must have been full of nano-thermite, possibly inserted during a trip to the presidential dentist.

Comment author: TheDave 12 May 2011 04:46:13AM 10 points [-]

I'm not sure that heavy sarcasm like this is constructive. While I thought it was funny, I think it encourages the audience to automatically disregard and deride the subject. In my experience, heavy sarcasm tends to both make the subject angry and reinforce the subject's (erroneous?) beliefs.

My own sarcastic responses (about political or otherwise weighty matters) typically just polarize the group I'm in, making the new in-group like me and the new out-group dislike me.

Comment author: XFrequentist 27 April 2011 10:21:09PM 2 points [-]

Trailmeme for the sequences has approximately what you want, I believe.

Comment author: TheDave 28 April 2011 02:37:24AM 0 points [-]

That's really cool! This will really help with my journey through the sequences. Thank you!

Comment author: Alicorn 26 April 2011 03:17:22PM 12 points [-]

Sometimes I realize mid-assertion that the thing I'm saying isn't really to be trusted as much as my listener will be likely to trust it without further details. I usually compensate by making a weak joke: "...and I know that's true because I read it on the Internet, and as we all know, decent web design signals infallibility!", or "So I am told by my friend X, and gosh, she's always been a Libertarian, so I have no reason at all to be suspicious of her statistical claims about gun violence."

Comment author: TheDave 27 April 2011 03:13:06AM 2 points [-]

I really like this method! It certainly seems to be far more useful than my current "wait, I just realized that I don't know as much about this subject as I think I do, and therefore I need to stop talking", which really really hurts the flow of conversation. Thanks!

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