Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 21 August 2016 06:22:18PM 1 point [-]

They should have some statistics, even if they're not completely conclusive.

As I understand it, the costs are:

$1400 for lodging (commuting would cost even more) $2500 deposit (not clear on the refund policy) 10% of next year's income (with deposit going towards this)

I wouldn't characterize that as "very little". It's enough to warrant asking a lot of questions.

How would you characterize the help you got getting a job? Getting an interview? Knowing what to say in an interview? Having verifiable skills?

Comment author: The_Jaded_One 24 August 2016 09:59:38PM 0 points [-]

How would you characterize the help you got getting a job? Getting an interview? Knowing what to say in an interview? Having verifiable skills?

Well, they taught me R and they helped me (along with some kind alumni) to go a bit further with neural networks than I otherwise would have. Having spent time hacking away at neural networks allowed me to pass the interview at the job I just got.

Knowing R caused me to get another generous offer that I have had to turn down.

Interview skills training with Robert was valuable, especially at the beginning. Robert seems to have a fairly sound understanding of how to optimise the process.

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 21 August 2016 06:22:18PM 1 point [-]

They should have some statistics, even if they're not completely conclusive.

As I understand it, the costs are:

$1400 for lodging (commuting would cost even more) $2500 deposit (not clear on the refund policy) 10% of next year's income (with deposit going towards this)

I wouldn't characterize that as "very little". It's enough to warrant asking a lot of questions.

How would you characterize the help you got getting a job? Getting an interview? Knowing what to say in an interview? Having verifiable skills?

Comment author: The_Jaded_One 24 August 2016 09:53:19PM 0 points [-]

$1400 for lodging (commuting would cost even more)

Well, that's only a cost if (as in my case) you had to keep your normal home empty amd thereby double pay accommodation for that period.

Also some people on the course were local.

$2500 deposit (not clear on the refund policy)

I was told that this is fully refundable if you don't like the course within the first week, though I am not sure they would extend that to anyone (but you can ask).

Comment author: The_Jaded_One 24 August 2016 09:09:53PM 1 point [-]

Just a quick update, I signed the contract today and am now employed in the role of senior machine learning scientist at a company in Europe.

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 21 August 2016 06:26:22PM 1 point [-]

What about after the program, if you don't get a job, or don't get a job in the data science field?

Comment author: The_Jaded_One 21 August 2016 11:19:15PM 0 points [-]

The deal I was given is that if you earn less than $40k for the next year, you get the whole program for free.

If you earn $lots as a painter, porn star, film producer - whatever - you still pay your 10% of what you earn above $40k capped at $250k. But if you plan on having a very lucrative non-data science career in the next year, then why are you on the program?

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 21 August 2016 06:25:37PM 1 point [-]

1% of a bad bet is still a bad bet.o

Comment author: The_Jaded_One 21 August 2016 11:15:47PM 0 points [-]

No, it's not 1% of the bet. My income goes up in the future meaning that the utility of money goes down. My mortality rate goes up since I am young, so the value of cryonics goes up.

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 21 August 2016 01:31:02AM *  4 points [-]

I suppose this might be better place to ask than trying to resurrect a previous thread:

What kind of statistics can Signal offer on prior cohorts? E.g. percentage with jobs, percentage with jobs in data science field, percentage with incomes over $100k, median income of graduates, mean income of graduates, mean income of employed graduates, etc.? And how do the different cohorts compare? (Those are just examples; I don't necessarily expect to get those exact answers, but it would be good to have some data and have it be presented in a manner that is at least partially resistant to cherry picking/massaging, etc.) Basically, what sort of evidence E does Signal have to offer, such that I should update towards it being effective, given both E, and "E has been selected by Signal, and Signal has an interest in choosing E to be as flattering rather than as informative as possible" are true?

Also, the last I heard, there was a deposit requirement. What's the refund policy on that?

Comment author: The_Jaded_One 21 August 2016 09:42:46AM *  0 points [-]

what sort of evidence E does Signal have to offer, such that I should update towards it being effective, given both E, and "E has been selected by Signal, and Signal has an interest in choosing E to be as flattering rather than as informative as possible"

Well I got a job out of it.

As for statistics, they're new enough that you'd want to wait a bit.

IMO Signal is worth the ~very little that you have to pay for it unless you already are getting job offers or already are very good with R (but then why do you want a bootcamp?)

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 21 August 2016 01:31:02AM *  4 points [-]

I suppose this might be better place to ask than trying to resurrect a previous thread:

What kind of statistics can Signal offer on prior cohorts? E.g. percentage with jobs, percentage with jobs in data science field, percentage with incomes over $100k, median income of graduates, mean income of graduates, mean income of employed graduates, etc.? And how do the different cohorts compare? (Those are just examples; I don't necessarily expect to get those exact answers, but it would be good to have some data and have it be presented in a manner that is at least partially resistant to cherry picking/massaging, etc.) Basically, what sort of evidence E does Signal have to offer, such that I should update towards it being effective, given both E, and "E has been selected by Signal, and Signal has an interest in choosing E to be as flattering rather than as informative as possible" are true?

Also, the last I heard, there was a deposit requirement. What's the refund policy on that?

Comment author: The_Jaded_One 21 August 2016 09:35:23AM *  0 points [-]

I can answer the deposit one: Signal told me personally that they'd refund it in the first week if I wanted to quit due to it being a bad program. In reality it was good. I cannot guarantee that they'd extend this to anyone but you can ask.

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 21 August 2016 02:59:55AM 1 point [-]

Are your finances so dire that if someone offered you $1/day in exchange for playing Russian Roulette, you would accept? If not, aren't you being just as irrational as you are accusing those who fail to accept your argument of being?

Comment author: The_Jaded_One 21 August 2016 09:32:29AM 0 points [-]

No, that doesn't work if I expect to sign up soon.

Comment author: Good_Burning_Plastic 20 August 2016 08:44:02AM *  2 points [-]

Is it a good idea to leave alive mosquitos that don't bite humans?

Killing all mosquitoes would be way too likely to have seriously bad unintended consequences IMO.

Comment author: The_Jaded_One 20 August 2016 10:29:02PM 1 point [-]

It would be something that I'd like to ask an expert about, but I think it's worth considering.

More generally: the ecosystem we have today is almost certainly not the best one we could possibly have. Therefore there may be feasible positive changes we can make to it.

Comment author: James_Miller 16 August 2016 02:38:30PM 2 points [-]

I tried. I guess it wasn't accepted.

Comment author: The_Jaded_One 17 August 2016 01:42:49PM 2 points [-]

That's disappointing.

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