Comment author: philh 03 March 2016 10:26:50AM 1 point [-]

Some companies do donation-matching, so if an employee donates $X to a charity then the company will also donate $X. The scammer is pretending "I don't work for such a company, but I'd like to double my donation, so I'd like to send money to you and you donate it and then your company also donates".

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 05 March 2016 08:18:01PM 1 point [-]

Isn't that fraud? That is, if you work for a company that matches donations, and I ask to give you money for you to give to MIRI, aren't I asking you to defraud your company?

Comment author: MarsColony_in10years 02 March 2016 03:37:29AM 4 points [-]

I was surprised to see mention of MIRI and Existential Risk. That means that they did a little research. Without that, I'd be >99% sure it was a scam.

I wonder if this hints at their methodology. Assuming it is a scam, I'd guess they find small but successful charities, then find small tight-knit communities organized around them and target those communities. Broad, catch-all nets may catch a few gullible people, but if enough people have caught on then perhaps a more targeted approach is actually more lucrative?

Really, it's a shame to see this happen even if no one here fell for it, because now we're all a little less likely to be receptive to weird requests/offers. I suspect it's useful for EAs to be able to make random requests of specific people. For example, I can imagine needing a couple hours or days of consulting work from a domain expert. In that situation, I'd be tempted to PM someone knowledgeable in that area, and offer to pay them for some consulting work on the side.

I can actually think of 2 instances where this community has done things like this out in the open (not PM), so it wouldn't surprise me if there are occasional private transactions. (I'd link to examples, but I'd rather not help a potential scammer improve on their methods.) Perhaps a solution would be to route anything that looks suspicious through Bitcoin, so that the transaction can't be cancelled? I wouldn't want to add trivial inconveniences to non-suspicious things, though.

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 05 March 2016 08:15:21PM 1 point [-]

It does mean that not-scams should find ways to signal that they aren't scams, and the fact that something does not signal not-scam is itself strong evidence of scam.

Comment author: CCC 03 March 2016 07:59:38AM 2 points [-]

What about those who treat matching donations as an applause light, and simply do it because it is ingroup behaviour and not because they've followed the argument?

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 05 March 2016 08:09:49PM 0 points [-]

Isn't the whole concept of matching donations a bit irrational to begin with? If a company thinks that MIRI is a good cause, they should give money to MIRI. If they think that potential employees will be motivated by them giving money to MIRI, wouldn't a naive application of economics predict that employees would value a salary increase of a particular amount at a utility that is equal or greater than the utility of that particular amount being donated to MIRI? An employee can convert a $1000 salary increase to a $1000 MIRI donation, but not the reverse. Either the company is being irrational, or it is expecting its employees to be irrational.

Comment author: Jiro 02 March 2016 06:39:06PM *  7 points [-]

No, if we're rationalist, we should figure out if the cost of doing the tests is worth the expected gain from getting the test results. If we're fairly certain that it's a scam already (so test results won't change the situation much) and if the tests are expensive, it might be a better idea not to test.

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 05 March 2016 08:01:23PM 1 point [-]

Shouldn't we first determine whether the amount of effort needed to figure out the costs of the tests is less than the expected value of ((cost of doing tests - expected gain)|(cost of doing tests > expected gain))?

Comment author: Nornagest 02 March 2016 11:04:32PM *  27 points [-]

Let's not break our arms patting ourselves on the back, at least not until the data's in. At the moment we could be more, less, or equally susceptible to scamming than our demographics generally are.

It'd be interesting to see which, though.

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 05 March 2016 07:54:12PM 7 points [-]

And if this is presented as some sort of "competition" to see whether LW is less susceptible than the general populace, then if anyone has fallen for it, that can further discourage them from reporting it. A lot of this is exploiting the banking system's lack of transparency as to just how "final" a transaction is; for instance, if you deposit a check, your account may be credited even if the check hasn't actually cleared. So scammers take advantage of the fact that most people are familiar with all the intricacies of banking, and think that when their account has been credited, it's safe to send money back.

Comment author: David_Kristoffersson 16 August 2015 09:59:22AM *  0 points [-]

My two main sources of confusion in that sentence are:

  1. He says "distinct elements onto distinct elements", which suggests both injection and surjection.
  2. He says "is called one-to-one (usually a one-to-one correspondence)", which might suggest that "one-to-one" and "one-to-one correspondence" are synonyms -- since that is what he usually uses the parantheses for when naming concepts.

I find Halmos somewhat contradictory here.

But I'm convinced you're right. I've edited the post. Thanks.

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 19 August 2015 05:03:16AM 1 point [-]

It is somewhat confusing, but remember that srujectivity is defined with respect to a particular codomain; a function is surjective if its range is equal to its codomain, and thus whether it's surjective depends on what its codomain is considered to be; every function maps its domain onto its range. "f maps X onto Y" means that f is surjective with respect to Y". So, for instance, the exponential function maps the real numbers onto the positive real numbers. It's surjective *with respect to positive real numbers. Saying "the exponential function maps real numbers onto real numbers" would not be correct, because it's not surjective with respect to the entire set of real numbers. So saying that a one-to-one function maps distinct elements onto a set of distinct elements can be considered to be correct, albeit not as clear as saying "to" rather than "onto". It also suffer from a lack of clarity in that it's not clear what the "always" is supposed to range over; are there functions that sometimes do map distinct elements to distinct elements, but sometimes don't?

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 19 August 2015 04:11:54AM 1 point [-]

So, we have

  1. We don't have both “Either K or A” and “Either Q or A”
  2. Therefore, we either have “Neither K nor A” or “Neither Q nor A”
  3. Since both of the possibilities involve “no A”, there can be no A.

Your post seems to be a rather verbose way of showing something that can be shown in three lines. I guess you're trying to illustrate some larger framework, but it's rather unclear what it is or how it adds anything to the analysis, and you haven't given the reader much reason to look into it further.

The reason that someone might think an Ace would be a good choice is that they misread it as saying “one of these two statements is true”. But it is nowhere stated that either statement is true; rather it is stated that at least one statement is false. Once one notices that the Ace is involved in both of these statements, of which one has to be false, one's intuition should lead one choosing the King.

Also, if you're using set notation, (K ∪ A) indicates the same thing as (A or K or K ∩ A).

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 19 August 2015 12:55:59AM 3 points [-]

I think that the first step is to unpack "annihilate". How does one "annihilate" a universe? You seem to be equivocating between destroying a universe, and putting it in a state inhospitable to consciousness.

It also seems to me that once we bring the anthropic principle in, that leads to Boltzmann brains.

Comment author: FrameBenignly 18 August 2015 04:08:16AM *  3 points [-]

That's known as a VR 4 schedule (variable-ratio 4) because the behavior is rewarded an average of every four times the correct response is given. Variable schedules maximize what is known as resistance to extinction; the probability a behavior will decrease in frequency goes down. Continuous schedules are best for establishing a new behavior. I would expect they use continuous reinforcement whenever a new skill is being learned in the game.

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 18 August 2015 10:16:22PM 0 points [-]

Upvote for content, but I think that there's a typo in your second sentence

Variable schedules maximize what is known as resistance to extinction, the probability a behavior will decrease in frequency goes down. Perhaps a semicolon instead of a comma, or "as frequency of rewards ... " instead of "in frequency ...", was intended?

Comment author: ThisSpaceAvailable 17 August 2015 01:17:31AM *  2 points [-]

"show that one serving of Soylent 1.5 can expose a consumer to a concentration of lead that is 12 to 25 times above California's Safe Harbor level for reproductive health"

Concentration, or amount? it seems to me that that is a rather important distinction, and it worrying that As You Sow doesn't seem to recognize it.

View more: Prev | Next