Comment author: thomblake 30 November 2012 09:22:26PM 4 points [-]

FWIW, I have the opposite intuition. Transgendered people (practically by definition) care about gender a lot, so presumably would care more about those cultural distinctions.

Contrast the gender skeptic: "What do you mean, you were assigned male but are really female? There's no 'really' about it - gender is just a social construct, so do whatever you want."

Comment author: TorqueDrifter 01 December 2012 05:51:52AM 1 point [-]

Yeah, no idea how good my intuitions are here. I don't have much experience with the subject, and frankly have a little difficulty vividly imagining what it's like to have strong feelings about one's own gender. So let's go read Jandila's comments instead of this one.

Comment author: Emile 30 November 2012 12:59:14PM 6 points [-]

Does anybody know if this holds for other other preferences that tend to vary heavily by gender? Are MtoF transsexuals heavily into say programming, or science fiction? (I know of several transsexual game developers/designers, all MtoF).

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Comment author: TorqueDrifter 30 November 2012 08:43:38PM *  3 points [-]

I don't know of any such data. I'd imagine that there's less of a psychological barrier to engaging in traditionally "gendered" interests for most transgendered people (that is, if you think a lot about gender being a social construct, you're probably going to care less about a cultural distinction between "tv shows for boys" and "tv shows for girls"). Beyond that I can't really speculate.

Edit: here's me continuing to speculate anyway. A transgendered person is more likely than a cisgendered person to have significant periods of their life in which they are perceived as having different genders, and therefore is likely to be more fully exposed to cultural expectations for each.

Comment author: gwern 29 November 2012 09:23:18PM *  10 points [-]

After I posted my comment, I realized that 3 vs 16 might just reflect the overall gender ratio of LW: if there's no connection between that stuff and finding LW interesting (a claim which may or may not be surprising depending on your background theories and beliefs), then 3 vs 16 might be a smaller version of the larger gender sample of 120 vs 1057. The respective decimals are 0.1875 and 0.1135, which is not dramatic-looking. The statistics for whether membership differs between the two pairs:

R> M <- as.table(rbind(c(120, 1057), c(3,16)))
R> dimnames(M) <- list(status=c("c","t"), gender=c("M","F"))
R> M
gender
status M F
c 120 1057
t 3 16
R> chisq.test(M, simulate.p.value = TRUE, B = 20000000)
Pearson's Chi-squared test with simulated p-value (based on 2e+07 replicates)
data: M X-squared = 0.6342, df = NA, p-value = 0.4346

(So it's not even close to the usual significance level. As intuitively makes sense: remove or add one person in the right category, and the ratio changes a fair bit.)

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Comment author: TorqueDrifter 29 November 2012 10:14:27PM *  10 points [-]

Under this theory, it seems (with low statistical confidence of course) that LW-interest is perhaps correlated with biological sex rather than gender identity, or perhaps with assigned-gender-during-childhood. Which is kind of interesting.

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Comment author: evand 29 November 2012 05:44:51PM 1 point [-]

This is precisely why trying to avoid exponentially-long compute times for PSPACE problems through the use of a time machine requires a computer with exponentially high MTBF.

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Comment author: TorqueDrifter 29 November 2012 05:50:27PM -1 points [-]

Why exponentially, precisely?

Comment author: Decius 29 November 2012 05:33:30PM 0 points [-]

Of course, there's no reason to strictly believe that what you thought was a future version of yourself wasn't either lying or a simulacrum of some kind, or that any note you receive after intending to send a note back to yourself hasn't been intercepted and subverted.

Which leads to interesting stories when those expectations are subverted, but only after they've been established.

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Comment author: TorqueDrifter 29 November 2012 05:49:11PM 0 points [-]

True! That's why every twelve-year-old establishes elaborate passphrases for identifying alternate / time-displaced selves.

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Comment author: JulianMorrison 28 November 2012 07:59:45PM -3 points [-]

A time loop amounts to a pocket eternity. How will you power the computer? Drop a sun in there, pick out a brown dwarf. That gives you maybe ten billion years of compute time, which isn't much.

Comment author: TorqueDrifter 28 November 2012 08:17:07PM 1 point [-]

Can't you just receive a packet of data from the future, verify it, then send it back into the past? Wouldn't that avoid having an eternal computer?

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Comment author: Vaniver 28 November 2012 06:42:00PM *  1 point [-]

This is the standard model of time travel / prophecy in Greek myths, isn't it? Maybe I'm overgeneralizing from Cassandra.

[edit] Eliezer calls it Stable Time Loops, which is a term I've seen before.

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Comment author: TorqueDrifter 28 November 2012 06:56:11PM *  6 points [-]

My understanding is that Stable Time Loops work differently: basically, the universe progresses in such a way that any and all time traveling makes sense and is consistent with the observed past. Under the above model, you will never witness another copy of yourself traveling from the future, though you might witness another copy of yourself traveling from an alternate past future that will now never have been. With STL, you can totally witness a copy of yourself traveling from the future, and you will definitely happen to travel back in time to then and do whatever they did. That's my understanding, at least.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 November 2012 09:35:46AM 8 points [-]

This seems a straw man.He didn't say they where always or often unsuccessful. Just that this can happen. And we clearly do have examples of unsuccessful attempts. See the USSR or the Puritan Colonies in the Americas.

Comment author: TorqueDrifter 28 November 2012 06:38:06PM *  7 points [-]

That would have been more reasonable, though also trivial and irrelevant (yes, some reformers fail. what of it? this comment wouldn't make sense in context). But the claim in the great-grandparent is made in absolute terms, a claim about the nature of the world - if you push society from default modes, then it will get harder and harder to accomplish nothing much and eventually you will be crushed.

One might feel compelled to interpret this as an error, and say that the intent was to say something trivial instead of wrong. But I thought that unlikely based on the user's posts in this topic: one about how reformers are crushed by history, one about how "the PC hive mind" is trying to silence them in order to establish themselves as the unquestioned masters of reality, and one misinterpreting and mocking a post about how you can insult people with facts.

Comments about how one's "opponents" are doomed to horrible violent retribution by the very nature of the universe are not unheard of. See, for example, the Men's Rights Movement, branches of which prophecy a coming time of inevitable violent revolution against our feminist overlords, or Communism, under some versions of which the success of the movement and the overthrow of all opposition is an (eventual) immutable fact.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 November 2012 04:44:11AM 4 points [-]

performs mitosis

Comment author: TorqueDrifter 28 November 2012 07:04:13AM 3 points [-]

You say there was what size bang?

Comment author: [deleted] 28 November 2012 01:17:29AM *  1 point [-]

I didn't intend any snark.

Comment author: TorqueDrifter 28 November 2012 02:19:00AM 1 point [-]

My bad! Probably just oversensitive because of what thread we're in. Apologies!

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