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Comment author: V_V 22 April 2013 03:30:37PM 2 points [-]

The full laws are uncomputable due to the inclusion of omega, yet you could compute a finite prefix of omega

You can't compute a prefix of Chaitin's omega of any arbitrary length. You can compute prefixes only up to some finite length, and this length is itself uncomputable.

Comment author: V_V 22 April 2013 03:20:24PM *  4 points [-]

So if you had a Turing machine traveling along this wordline, it could send a signal to p if and onliy if it halted, and the observer at p is guaranteed to receive the signal if the machine ever halts. No infinite-precision measurements are involved (unless perhaps you believe that a Turing machine operating reliably for an indefinite period of time is tantamount to an infinite-precision measurement).

Even if such spacetimes were possible, in order to exploit them for hypercomptation you would require a true Turing machine with infinite tape, infinite energy supply (unless it was perfectly reversible) and enough durability to run for a literally infinite amount of proper time without breaking. Such requirements seem inconsistent with the known laws of physics.

Comment author: V_V 22 April 2013 02:47:19PM *  -4 points [-]

Actually, other than the preoccupation with making money obviously, I don't see much in common.

Notably, legitimate for-profit companies pay their employees for their work, they don't solicit donations or unpaid work for the cause. In fact, they don't require their employees to believe in a greater cause, or that their CEO is some sort of super-human being, or that their group is better than everybody else, and all the stuff that cults are about.

Sure, just like any human organization, companies can develop a culture of groupthink, ingroup-outgroup bias and excessive reverence towards authority. Functional companies recognize this as a problem and take steps to mitigate it. Cults, on the other hand, encourage it.

Comment author: V_V 22 April 2013 01:58:11PM *  -7 points [-]

No. And you people are polluting this thread with nothing but personal attacks (probably out of spite because of what happened in another thread). Doesn't that qualify as trolling?

Comment author: V_V 22 April 2013 01:32:47PM -6 points [-]

ad hominem

Comment author: V_V 22 April 2013 12:41:57AM *  0 points [-]

I do. Provoking people only to get it as fodder to use against them is the epitome of 'gotcha'; it is dishonest, misleading, poisons discussion, and you should be ashamed of yourself for doing this.

Sorry, did you read the comment you are replying to? I wrote: "I don't write posts in order to have them deleted and then make a fuss over it."

I didn't write that comment thinking "Hehe, this will piss off Yudkowsky so much that he will censor it and then I will make fun of him on RationalWiki".

I was just trying to have a critical, yet polite discussion (If you indeed upvoted me then you were probably thinking that too). Then Big Y came and deleted my comment, and then I made fun of him.

But mentioning the issue on RationalWiki is not a part of a retaliation against him or something I was fishing for. It's just something done for the sake of informing the public about the moderation policies of this site.

EDIT:

Anyway, do you agree with the moderation decision? Is it appropriate to delete comments because they may cause some "negative stimulus"?

Comment author: V_V 22 April 2013 12:19:55AM 0 points [-]

I don't write posts in order to have them deleted and then make a fuss over it. That mention of "anti-hedons" was a tongue-in-cheek response, I'm certainly not trying to apply operant conditioning on Yudkowsky or anyone else.

Anyway, I think that mentioning this on RationalWiki is appropriate as a public service to other readers. Do you disagree with that?

Comment author: V_V 21 April 2013 11:52:52PM *  0 points [-]

For the record, the post wasn't even downvoted, it was at 0 points.

Comment author: V_V 21 April 2013 11:51:49PM 0 points [-]

Thanks for the support.

I think it's more likely that they're just educated enough to cut themselves, thinking in terms of fallacies and warning signals, rather than causal models.

I do try to think in terms of fallacies, and I think that warning signs are indeed important heuristics, though they can be spurious. They should make you update your beliefs to some extent.
What do you mean by causal models in this context?

but I suspect that V_V and other observers overestimate the social distance between the attendees

According to the OP, two members who attended the ritual were newcomers. Even if in the majority of these meetings all or most members are long-time friends, there can be concerns about sharing very personal information.

Comment author: V_V 21 April 2013 11:40:12PM -9 points [-]

Q.E.D.

un-fun for me since each post was followed by antihedons from him

Well, speaking of anti-hedons, this instance of censorship is obviously going to RationalWiki. Good job!

I still appreciated this on some instinctive level). I'm not going to tolerate that kind of negative stimulus being applied to community organizers.

So, now rational discussion about potential harm of certain practice is intolerable " negative stimulus" or trolling? Nice to know.

I think it might actually be a good idea to give any poster the power to delete replies in their post's comments thread - Facebook does this automatically and I don't think it's a problem in real life, except of course for the trolls themselves - but that would require development resources, and as ever, we have none.

Actually, the post you deleted wasn't even downvoted. In fact, we were having a polite discussion.

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