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Comment author: curi 31 October 2017 07:35:01AM 0 points [-]
Comment author: Vaniver 31 October 2017 03:02:11PM 0 points [-]

When I got the idea a long time ago, it was a single person's position and was called something like "Minister of Dissent." The idea was that a lot of useful criticism comes in bothersome packages, and having someone with a dual role of enforcing discourse standards and improving the relevant skills of people not meeting those standards would do more to lead to good discussion than just enforcing the standards. I was quickly convinced that this would be an especially draining job, and that it was better to have a team of people, such that they could do it only sometimes / not feel like they're always on the hook to steelman or help someone write a better comment.

I haven't come up with a better name yet than 'Sunshine Regiment' for pointing at the dual functionality of the moderation team, and am open to suggestions.

Comment author: wallowinmaya 01 October 2017 11:24:17AM 2 points [-]

The open beta will end with a vote of users with over a thousand karma on whether we should switch the lesswrong.com URL to point to the new code and database

How will you alert these users? (I'm asking because I have over 1000 karma but I don't know where I should vote.)

Comment author: Vaniver 05 October 2017 05:55:43PM 2 points [-]

Our current plan is to send an email with a vote link to everyone over the threshold; we're going to decide when to have the vote later in the open beta period.

Comment author: kgalias 24 September 2017 07:25:44PM 1 point [-]

When was the last data migration from LW 1.0? I'm getting an "Invalid email" message, even though I have a linked email here.

Comment author: Vaniver 27 September 2017 09:55:25PM *  2 points [-]

Late May, if I recall correctly. We'll be able to merge accounts if you made it more recently or there was some trouble with the import.

Comment author: Rain 22 September 2017 02:27:13PM 3 points [-]

Any RSS feeds?

In response to comment by Rain on LW 2.0 Open Beta Live
Comment author: Vaniver 22 September 2017 06:36:40PM 1 point [-]

https://www.lesserwrong.com/feed.xml is the primary one; more customization is coming soon.

LW 2.0 Open Beta Live

22 Vaniver 21 September 2017 01:15AM

The LW 2.0 Open Beta is now live; this means you can create an account, start reading and posting, and tell us what you think.

Four points:

1) In case you're just tuning in, I took up the mantle of revitalizing LW through improving its codebase some time ago, and only made small amounts of progress until Oliver Habryka joined the project and put full-time engineering effort into it. He deserves the credit for the new design, and you can read about his strategic approach here.

2) If you want to use your current LW account on LW2.0, we didn't import the old passwords, and so you'll have to use the reset password functionality. If your LW account isn't tied to a current email, send a PM to habryka on lesswrong and he'll update the user account details on lesserwrong. He's also working on improving the site and sleeping and things like that, so don't expect an immediate response.

3) During the open beta there will be a green message in the bottom right hand corner of the screen. This is called Intercom, and is how you can tell us about issues with the site and ask other questions.

4) The open beta will end with a vote of users with over a thousand karma on whether we should switch the lesswrong.com URL to point to the new code and database. If this succeeds, all the activity from the open beta and the live site will be merged together. If the vote fails, we expect to archive LW until another team comes along to revive it. We currently don't have a date set, but this will be announced a week in advance.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 17 September 2017 02:05:36AM *  0 points [-]

Vaniver, I sympathize with the desire to automate figuring out who experts are via point systems, but consider that even in academia (with a built-in citation pagerank), people still rely on names. That's evidence about pagerank systems not being great on their own. People game the hell out of citations.


Probably should weigh my opinion of rationality stuff quite low, I am neither a practitioner nor a historian of rationality. I have gotten gradually more pessimistic about the whole project.

Comment author: Vaniver 19 September 2017 06:34:40PM 0 points [-]

Vaniver, I sympathize with the desire to automate figuring out who experts are via point systems

To be clear, in this scheme whether or not someone had access to the expert votes would be set by hand.

Comment author: ozymandias 16 September 2017 01:25:38AM 7 points [-]

Sorry, this might not be clear from the comment, but as a prospective writer I was primarily thinking about the comments on my posts. Even if I avoid culture war stuff in my posts, the comment section might go off on a tangent. (This is particularly a concern for me because of course my social-justice writing is the most well-known, so people might be primed to bring it up.) On my own blog, I tend to ban people who make me feel scared and defensive; if I don't have this capability and people insist on talking about culture-war stuff in the comments of my posts anyway, being on LW 2.0 will probably be unpleasant and aversive enough that I won't want to do it. Of course, I'm just one person and it doesn't make sense to set policy based on luring me in specific; however, I suspect this preference is common enough across political ideologies that having a way to accommodate it would attract more writers.

Comment author: Vaniver 16 September 2017 01:50:37AM 3 points [-]

Got it; I expect the comments to have basically the same rules as the posts, and for you to be able to respond in some low-effort fashion to people derailing posts with culture war (by, say, just flagging a post and then the Sunshine Regiment doing something about it).

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 15 September 2017 08:00:32PM 1 point [-]

Yeah I agree that people need to weigh experts highly. LW pays lipservice to this, but only that -- basically as soon as people have a strong opinion experts get discarded. Started with EY.

Comment author: Vaniver 16 September 2017 01:42:41AM 2 points [-]

My impression of how to do this is to give experts an "as an expert, I..." vote. So you could see that a post has 5 upvotes and a beaker downvote, and say "hmm, the scientist thinks this is bad and other people think it's good."

Multiple flavors lets you separate out different parts of the comment in a way that's meaningfully distinct from the Slashdot-style "everyone can pick a descriptor;" you don't want everyone to be able to say "that's funny," just the comedians.

This works somewhat better than simple vote weighting because it lets people say whether they're doing this as just another reader or 'in their professional capacity;' I want Ilya's votes on stats comments to be very highly weighted and I want his votes on, say, rationality quotes to be weighted roughly like anyone else's.

Of course, this sketch has many problems of its own. As written, I lumped many different forms of expertise into "scientist," and you're trusting the user to vote in the right contexts.

Comment author: Vaniver 16 September 2017 01:41:52AM 2 points [-]

Note that the person who is running the LW survey this year (same as last year) has kindly added some questions about LW 2.0, but isn't directly involved with the project. You can take the survey here.

Comment author: IlyaShpitser 15 September 2017 09:18:40PM 1 point [-]

What's the benefit? Also, what's the harm? (to you)

Comment author: Vaniver 15 September 2017 11:17:13PM 8 points [-]

Main benefits to karma are feedback for writers (both informative and hedonic) and sorting for attention conservation. Main costs are supporting the underlying tech, transparency / explaining the system, and dealing with efforts to game it.

(For example, if we just clicked a radio button and we had eigenkarma, I would be much more optimistic about it. As is, there are other features I would much rather have.)

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